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Dr. Marcella Nunez-Smith Takes Aim at Racial Gaps in Health Care

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  • #5058

    Lace Watkins
    Keymaster

    This is what can happen when leaders scratch the paint of structural inequities and decide to address them on several tracks.

    I have no illusion that a task force honing on medical equity will be a magic bullet that will magically eradicate disparities and the longstanding and entrenched institutional and individual biases that so negatively affect Black, Brown and Indigenous people, but an overt look at the problem, and the underpinnings of racism and white supremacy that drive the problem can only be a good thing.

    In reading her backstory, I was struck by one tragic similarity: both she and I have had parents who were taken down by strokes in their early middle age; both of them younger than I myself am now. I know firsthand how that can inform one’s own interaction with a medical industry that seems (and all to often actually is) inattentive to our unique needs and stressors, or, at worst, actively hostile to our challenges and to our very persons.

    My hope is that under Dr. Nunez-Smith’s leadership, that she will force both government and the medical industry itself to ask itself better, and deeper questions. That they won’t stop at studies and conferences and Congressional testimonies, but that these queries will result in better outcomes across the board for marginalized communities.

    Already, it looks promising. Dr Nunez-Smith is already talking about food and housing insecurity, and noting that fully a third of Black households have been negatively affected economically by Covid (a far greater share than for their white counterparts) . Though it has yet to be noted by her specifically, the fact that healthcare is tied to employment that white people often enjoy, but that is accessed less easily by Black and Brown people will hopefully be addressed.

    So, there is cause for cautious optimism that four years from now, there will be measurable and meaningful progress in outcomes, in access, and in trust in a medical system that may finally done what it has ever done–see Black and Brown people eye to eye.

    And heart to heart.

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    Dr. Marcella Nunez-Smith Takes Aim at Racial Gaps in Health Care: Appointed head of the incoming administration’s task force on health equity, the Yale University scientist “is not sitting in her ivory tower.”

    Dr. Marcella Nunez-Smith will run the Biden administration’s task force on health equity. “The Biden-Harris team has been really clear on saying that our response and recovery needs to be equitable,” she said.

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  • #5063

    Christina Sonas
    Organizer

    I had a dialogue yesterday about this same approach in education: constant “solving” of each small piece, without ever looking to the entire structure and concept for reform. That’s essentially contemporary business strategy, although even in business the shortfalls are obvious. But those shortfalls are ignored, in business, in education, in healthcare, because those at the top don’t have a sense of obligation to the community, and government is not regulating to provide it. I will do everything I can to support the progress that Dr. Nunez-Smith envisions, including moving beyond a task force.

    • #5076

      well said, how the reason people at the top lose sight of whole-person health (educational, legal, housing, medical, economic, employment etc) is because those (wp) at the top don’t obligate themselves to the community. Dr. Nunex-Smith was raised to always have the community in mind and to fight to that end, and that’s an example I will take and replicate.

      (copied to facebook)

  • #5075

    I feel optimistic and encouraged about the work Dr. Nunez-Smith is doing. The part pointing out how setting our sites “on more achievable goals” holds us back really stood out to me. Dr. Nunez-Smith isn’t just imaging what can be, she’s actively pursuing it with expectation it will happen. That challenges me. When things look and feel daunting in the part of the medical field I work, I will sometimes tell myself ‘what I’m doing here isn’t going to matter much because XYZ things aren’t happening too’. I imagine, however, that even entertaining that line of thinking impacts the quality of the services I’m offering and how hard I’m advocating for individuals I’m working with. There are so many holes in the systems it can feel like devestation all the time, but I’m contributing to that devastation and ultimately harm to Black, brown, and Indigenous people if I’m not continually setting my sites high and helping my colleagues do the same.

    (cross posted to facebook)

    • #5080

      Clare Steward
      Organizer

      I can locate myself in the behavior of giving up on individual pursuits when achieving progress in a bigger, collective picture seems unreachable or too daunting thus falling back to the same patterns and upholding and thereby reinforcing the status quo. We’ve discussed this pattern of behavior in wp/ ourselves before and it definitely ties in to our individualistic nature, lack of community…. and fragility….our inability to accept criticism and improve behaviors in general but more specifically when it’s coming from Black and Brown leadership. We blow up, shut down and bail. I’m encouraged by Dr. Nunez-Smith and we must do everything we can to bolster the initiatives, knowing full well the that she will be met with resistance because of these harmful behaviors that we harbor. I’m anticipating budget concerns sbdc denial that issues are as far reaching or as dire as they are. This is where it’s up to all of us to be aware and active and demand change from Biden and other white leaders.

      • This reply was modified 3 years, 10 months ago by  Clare Steward.
      • #5262

        @clare , white people like quick, big flashy outcomes, and expect them, quick to dismiss how the small steps are equally integral in moving the stone. Too often I can get lost looking at or longing for the peaks versus the steps right in front of me to take on the trail. I so love and need to hear it every time Lace says “keep walking,” keep holding myself and others and the systems we operate in to account.

        I like your pointing out the likely objection of budget concerns and how we will need to hold Biden and other white leaders accountable not only to their own purse strings but to the ones of the nation.

  • #5095

    This is such an inspiring article! I’m guilty of believing the people who say that the failures of our healthcare system are just too big, they can’t be solved, it’s always been this way… all we can do is make it a little better. Dr. Nunez-Smith has the amazing courage to suggest that the problem can be solved, and we must try.

  • #5143

    Julie Helwege
    Organizer

    Cross-posted: There’s so much in this article to digest.

    #1, It takes a village…

    I’ve learned the value of community here, especially how to hold and be held. I’ve also recognized how much side-eye I’ve given to my white cohort over the years.

    I didn’t grow up in a “village.” I grew up in a neighborhood that largely kept to itself. Struggles, and yes, they were privileged struggles, weren’t shared openly. Collaborative problem solving and support wasn’t observed or expected, and we hid our issues under that proverbial “rug.”

    I was quickly introduced to competition and critique/slights, both of myself and others. Thus, everyday side eye was born and ingrained.

    WP (me) have to learn how to operate in a village and eradicate the side eye we give each other daily in our capitalist way of being. We need to figure out how to be in relationship, be vulnerable and de-weaponize. We need to start looking through a shared responsibility and less harmful, much safer lens and not a competitive one.

    We have a lot to learn and can truly grow if we listen and follow Black and Brown people.

    #2, “She still encounters hospital patients who assume she has come into the room to collect their meal tray or empty their trash, even though she introduces herself as a doctor and has a stethoscope hanging around her neck.”

    When my whyte friends and family fight the idea that they are racist and supremacist, these are the type of examples I share. “But it was an honest mistake” or “I’ve never done that.” Nope. And, yes, you have.

    It’s racist and supremacist bias; we (WP) all have it, and we (me) need to root that out and dismantle it.

    I may have not mistaken a Black doctor for a janitor (because I don’t know that I’ve ever had a Black doctor), but I have given side eye and questioned why Black people at work always commune together. I have mistaken someone for an employee in a store. I have struggled to remember names of my Black work colleagues or wanted to call them the same name.

    WP (me) fight this idea of being racist and supremacist SO hard – but I have to face that moment to moment racism and supremacy occurs because of the white supremacy soup I bathe in every day. And I’ve absolutely contributed to it.

    I don’t fight it anymore. I own it instead, and I’ve fully embraced internal work, always pivoting to race and daily walking.

    And when I read about Dr. Nunez-Smith’s treatment, I cringed and then immediately started leaning in and rooting out.

    #3, The importance of hiring the right people is not lost on me, especially as it’s my daily tent making job.

    And this “most qualified for the job” language is a deflection that has to be addressed in predominately whyte work environments.

    WP (me) have to acknowledge that we are not the “most qualified” for these highly sought after positions. We need to get out of the way and find opportunities to listen and follow Black people.

    We (I) need to realize that if Black and Brown people are absent in key leadership and project/initiative roles, it’s not because the “most qualified” were all white, it’s because of racism and supremacy.

    There are tangibles and intangibles in hiring the “most qualified,” and I’ve realized over my career how much more focused I’ve been on certain criteria.

    I need Black and Brown people in my life. I need to listen and follow their lead. I need to understand direct giving and what being part of a village in my online and offline life truly means. I need to be held accountable and called out on my racist and supremacist behavior. I need to immerse myself in lived experience that is different.

    And that won’t happen if WP keep telling themselves when they look around and everyone is whyte (and then pat themselves on the back according), “We hired the most qualified team for this project.”

    Welp, no you didn’t. The walking continues.

    • #5195

      Christina Sonas
      Organizer

      Do you remember how crazed Republicans were when Hillary Clinton published her book It Takes a Village? Village is definitely not part of the USAn psyche.

      • #5269

        I was thinking about that book too when I was reading this. I’ve used the phrase “it takes a village” a lot in life, and was also wondering how I would read that book now with the racial justice lens I have. A ‘village’ to a wp means wp/privilege connections all too often.

      • #5376

        Right now, with all the divisions and social isolation, it doesn’t feel like I have a village. I wonder if it will be easier to get people to buy in to the concept of community after all this, or harder….

      • #5393

        I am wondering too about the long term effects of this isolation. It seems to me that probably most people won’t be doing internal work during this interlude or working on how to be in healthy relationships, so after some initial enthusiasm, we’ll probably be right back where we started.

  • #5225

    The Biden Administration has done the right thing in selecting her. It is up to all of us to make sure that she receives the funding and other resources needed to get the work done. In the past I have been guilty of helping work on something at the front end, but not following through. That is not relentless reliability. I need to be relentlessly reliable.

    I agree that setting our sights on what is “achievable” is holding us back. We need to start with a vision of the world that we actually want, not a world we think is achievable. We can’t give up on an equitable world before we even begin. That’s giving up on Black people before we even begin. Focusing on what is achievable reminds me of the Democratic party giving up on red states and red areas vs the 50 state strategy.

    I hold myself back in my service to the North Star when I limit my vision based on conservative estimates of what I can achieve. Lace has shown us that when we keep our vision big and bold and strive to be relentlessly reliable, we can achieve much more than we thought we could to begin with.

  • #5277

    I agree that the idea of achievability shouldn’t be the line things are based on. The way it is written in the article, that ‘at least’ making sure BIPOC have insurance etc. It shouldn’t be at least, it feels almost like saying what is the least we can do. Looking at the bigger underlying inequalities shouldn’t be branded as unachievable because then nothing will ever been done to deal with them. It was really good that not just the medical side was mentioned, everything must be looked at and systematic racism dealt with at the root. Loved that Dr. Nunez-Smith talked about the importance of community. WP especially don’t act in community and actively act against doing things for the good of others – like wearing a mask. I must act in community with those around me and with BIPOC.

    • #5283

      And we sure know how much white people love doing the least possible while still looking like “the good ones”!

  • #5374

    Cross-posted from FB:

    It’s reassuring to see a young Black woman taking the helm of a group that has the potential to promote positive changes. It sounds like they made a great choice. My job is to listen to what she has to say, to make sure my family and friends hear it, too. Since so many people agree that our health care system is broken, *perhaps* we can come together around the recommendations by a committee such as this. I won’t hold my breath, though. I know how hard it can be to accept direction-or even suggestions-from people who don’t look like me.

    One part that stood out to me was the village. I have been taught all my life to be self-reliant and self-sufficient and as a consequence, I developed a tendency to judge those who I didn’t feel were as self-reliant or self-sufficient as I thought they should be. All this hard work at being independent of others has had the effect of isolating me from my community as well. Public health can be one indicator of community. If there is a significant portion of the population with health problems, it will affect the rest of the population. Solving those problems benefits everyone. I need to be better connected to my community.

  • #5946

    Hearing about appointments like hers give me hope that change is actually possible. I’m so very glad they appointed her. At the same time, I also sincerely hope that she is surrounded by people who are listening to her and following her lead. The problem they are tackling is a massive and complex one, but that doesn’t mean it can’t be solved.

    Inequity and racism in healthcare is of particular interest to me, since I am a nurse and am a cog in that machine. There does seem to be, at minimum, more awareness about racism being an issue in healthcare. The CEO of our company was on the news recently talking about how she has signed on to this big initiative to tackle racism in healthcare. She talked a lot about making sure everyone has access to healthcare. I agree that this is a huge hurdle to overcome, but it’s also a more complex issue than that. After reflecting on a few articles on the subject we have had here, I sent her an email asking if there had been any discussion in these meetings about how to address racism and inequities of patients once they are already in the system: how to ensure they are being heard about their concerns and not retaliated against, making sure they feel they are being heard and their concerns addressed. I have not heard anything back yet. But our latest education did include some bias training, so…. some progress, I guess?

    Like others, I am struck by the emphasis on community and building a village, supporting each other. This runs so counter to the ethos of white supremacy, which demands competition and striving for perfection, exhaustion worn like a badge of honor as we talk over the cubicle about how little sleep we’ve gotten lately. The emphasis on individualism runs so counter to the idea of community. As white people, we are so terrible at it. And then we grumble that people are terrible, as this detached spirit of eternal competition would leave a bad taste in anyone’s soul. So we are further demotivated to build community, because we can barely stand to be around “people” in the first place. Never mind that we are also people.

    Building community is most definitely the cure, but it is something we will have to practice a lot before we get good at it. It’s not only foreign to many of us, but it also runs counter to how we may have been raised. I lived in many houses and apartments in my life, but I rarely knew my neighbors. I have yet to find a place that feels like community; feels like someplace I belong. But I feel this may be a flaw that resides in me, rather than all of the places I have been. I want to focus this year on figuring out how to build community, and walk with all of you, and see eye to eye.

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