Introduction to Terry Real

Here is a query:

Are you a corrective experience or are you secondary trauma?

There is a meme that has gone around more than once since I’ve been on Facebook. I’d seen it before, and I always thought it was a good touchstone for how I wanted to walk in the world. It’s this:

“Be the person you needed when you were a child.”

I absolutely love this. 

There’s an acknowledgement there that none of us, not one, got everything that we needed as we were coming up, coupled with an even deeper acknowledgement that some of us got very little of what we needed, and because of that, we all too often act out of our deficits.

A person who has not begun the process of examination and excavation of their interior life often becomes a reservoir of pain, both for themselves and for others.

Let’s talk about the bucket illustration, where we talked about the buckets of pain and maladaptation that we each do have, and that weighs us down, and can cause danger and damage to others.

This bucket is full of accumulated pain and wounds from the past that become activated, and rather than being examined and carefully held for minimum slosh, is handled recklessly with the residue spilling over unto others in the form of defenses like displacement, like projection, like denial, like minimization.

It’s that messy bucket that gives us permission to act with unbridled self-expression with no regard as to the consequences for others, it’s what allows us to shut down and/or run because we haven’t developed the tools to stay and appropriately engage.

It’s the weight of the bucket that encourages us to insist that others hold our bucket for us. In short, it’s that bucket that keeps us from fully growing up, and from fully leaning in.

Owning and managing our buckets is our life’s work.

Owning and managing our bucket is going to mean finding the places of pain in ourselves and doing the deep work required to learn how to hold on to our own buckets, so that we not only refrain from sloshing our residue, but also to actively committing to becoming a person who can model holding the hard things with Grace.

The saying helps us with part 1 of this task.

Becoming the person you needed will stabilize that bucket. It will also help some of the weight of the bucket to dissipate so that you can hold it more lightly, so that the bucket does not drive your perceptions and your actions and behaviors, so that you can learn how to discern when your bucket feels unstable and/or volatile, so you can minimize the slosh.

This is part of growing up. Particularly for our purposes here, it is a part of growing up into racial justice convictions.

In Lace on Race, there was a conversation that talked about this very thing, and there was some confusion about responsibility and accountability.

I want to be very clear about the distinction. 

The things that happened to us as children that have filled our buckets as adults were not our faults. What we do with them, whether or not we unpack, interrogate, and confront them–it is there that our responsibility lies. 

Whether the traumas were large, or seemingly small, they have cumulatively filled our buckets, and we are not to beat up on either ourselves or others for the contents of each other’s childhood buckets.

The residue from childhood has been poured into our adult buckets, but added on to by the residue created by our often ineffective ways of dealing with our childhood residue, and it informs our present; how we walk in the world, how we speak to ourselves in our thought lives, and how we do or do not effectively relate to others.

I hold that it’s that volatile childhood residue that makes our adult buckets so unstable, so hard to hold, so quick to slosh.

The tools we have been slowly introduced to and are slowly learning have been meant as tools to stabilize and to minimize and mitigate the contents of our collective buckets.

We’ve slowly been learning emotional regulation: how to hold on to ourselves, how to deal with activations and triggers (what we here call the ‘woosh’), how to differentiate between discomfort and harm, how to stay in the car.

All these skills and more have been part of a collective reparenting process of sorts, where we learn to acquire the skills we either incompletely learned as children, or never learned it all– or only learned to apply selectively, intermittently, and unreliably. 

I want to be sure, at this point, to say something very plainly. I have great compassion for each of our buckets. Every person’s bucket is entirely too large, and is too filled to the brim with residue.

I even have compassion for the adult errors, some unforced, but also often unconscious and unrealized, that we have sometimes brought to bear in our own buckets that have made carrying them harder than it has to be.

I have found that rarely is there mostly malevolence in these buckets, but rather deep deep pain and trauma that has acted out loudly rather than have been dealt with. I have faith that we can learn to confront our buckets individually and collectively, and our individual and collective work will be the better for it.

Terry Real and his work and theories deal with dyadic relationship, usually between intimate partners. We adopt and adapt his work for our purposes here at Lace on Race.

We are going to examine his 5 losing strategies that cause so much harm and are detriments and barriers to full communion with our ourselves and with others, and then we will pivot to the five winning strategies that will help us, that will shore up our muscles, that will give us stamina and endurance for the work ahead of us.

Going back to the phrase above, it is indeed important that we learn to be the people that we needed 10 years ago, 20 years ago, 30 years ago. It’s important to learn to self-soothe in appropriate ways, to practice authentic self care, to learn to walk with all deliberate speed as we carry our individual buckets well.

But that’s only level 1.

Level 2 is when we learn not only to be the people that we ourselves needed, but then to gain the capacity, volition, and agency to pivot and look outward and become the people that the person in front of us, that the communities that we choose to walk with and serve, need for us to be.

That’s level-up work.

To be able to hold on to ourselves and to be able to use our fictive imagination and curiosity to be able to be of true service and in true alignment with those who we walk with in this journey of racial justice, and the people we will either succor or harm– it’s work that few people even think about attempting. We are going to be realistically audacious as we do this work here in this space; this work of lessening and mitigating the harm suffered and endured by Black and brown people at the hands–and words–of white people.

Each of us has within ourselves the power and the capacity to become a corrective experience for those we encounter and with whom we engage, both on an individual, dyadic, and communal level.

Each of us has the power and the capacity to dissipate just a few molecules of another person’s bucket, to make their bucket that much less lighter to hold.

But this also comes with a real caution: We also have the capacity to be walking and talking triggers and activations and reservoirs of pain and compounded trauma for others.

Our self-soothing must never be at the expense of other people. Our self care should not be on the backs of others, ever.

As we learn to become living and breathing corrective experiences for the world , let us hold all of this in mind.

Looking forward to exploring this new path with all of you. Looking forward to growing up together so that we can grow out with the effectiveness that is required for this walk, with resilient reliability, and with deep love, faithfulness, and steadfastness at our core.

**This is a rewrite of a previous post which can be found here:
https://laceonrace.com/index.php/2019/10/02/relational-ethics-series-introduction-to-terry-real/


48 responses to “Introduction to Terry Real”

  1. Rebecca Behar Avatar
    Rebecca Behar

    It occurs to me, that in my professional life, I was coached to be wary of my own feelings, because they could confound and cloud the work. Here, I need to really delve into and understand my own true feelings, so that I can change MYSELF. That’s a really radical and new way for me to think and feel. It’s completely different that what I was practicing for years. I’m learning to be a new person, doing new things, in new ways. That is going to take patience, practice and time. I will keep at this. Thanks again, Danielle.

  2. Rebecca Behar Avatar
    Rebecca Behar

    Thank you for responding Danielle. The way you explained how you understand centering vs. locating was clarifying. I am really struggling hard with these ideas. Most especially, the part of fictive imagination. In training as a social worker I did what were called process recordings. We’d have a conversation with a person, (no recording device or note taking allowed) and then we had to go back and recreate that conversation accurately, in 3 columns: (1) the other person’s comments, (2) our intuitive responses/thoughts about their comments, (3) our own comments. We used legal size paper 14 inches by 8.5 inches to write out each of the three columns. A 20 minute conversation could take up 3 hours to hand write, in process recording form.
    This exercise, though grueling, was useful in a number of ways. It forced me to slow way down, be focused, listening and fully present. Then, I had to write out the whole interchange, adding to it, the deeper examination of MY intent and choices in the moment. My internship preceptor would go over these process recordings with me, in depth, asking me questions about my beliefs, motives, choices. The goal was to see what my projections, biases and hidden assumptions were. What lens was I looking through? What was clouding my vision of the other?
    I was warned NOT TO assume, nor imagine, but to ask the other person about their experience. It almost became anthropology. My preceptor said, ” Imagine you are new to the Human race. As much as you can, let go of what you think you know and understand when it comes to humans beings. Instead of being certain you already understand the who/what/when/where/why/how, of a person’s story, assume you don’t know those details. Now, with that orientation, of an anthropologist, listen, observe, ask questions, make mental notes. That was the only kind of fictive imagination I got used to, one of assuming nothing and imagining I didn’t know, or understand another’s experience.

    I learned so much more in this way, from what the other person was sharing. I took off my “I already understand” glasses, and put on “I’m listening closely” glasses. My social work preceptor also warned me against the idea that I already knew “what was best” or “true” for that person. They said, “You’re not magic. You don’t have the power to fix anyone, and that’s not your role. You are there to help others find the resources, insights and personal strength to create and construct their own solutions, to their own problems. You are a facilitator. You walk beside. You listen. You stay present. But it’s not about you. You are not the center, or focus. The other person is the center, the focus. They must find their way through to the resolution. That’s what makes healing sustainable and repeatable. Ideally, once the client generalizes this, they will heal, learn, grow and change.”
    So I don’t see removing myself as distancing and deflecting, I feel it is hubris, or conceit to assume I can locate myself in someone else’s experience.
    You wrote ” looking at me and identifying the times I’ve allowed fear or hate or selfishness and entitlement to guide my own behaviors instead.” That was what process recording was intended to do. To see my fears, hate, selfishness, or assumptions, or mistaken ideas, or satifaction of my personal needs instead of someone else’s”
    In race work now, here, I’m not a professional. But the habits I describe above are so ingrained, they’re hard to undo. Maybe I don’t have to undo them. I could process record around the posts in this space, to try and uncover my hate, selfishness, etc. That’s a thought. Anyway, thank you for caring enough to offer me your understanding of the concepts of centering versus locating. I appreciate your input.

  3. Danielle Holcombe Avatar
    Danielle Holcombe

    On the difference between “centering” versus “locating ourselves” I’ve started to try to pay attention to whether I’m looking at behavior/responsibility or impact/outcome. When I’m looking at the impact or outcome of some aspect of white supremacy, that’s a time that I don’t need to be focused on me. Focusing on how I *feel* about it is centering.

    But when we are talking about habits, behaviors, patterns that lead to harm, that is a time that I need to be looking inward. How do I behave in that way? How does that particular habit show up in my day to day?

    So I am often inclined to chime in on a post with my thoughts, feelings or opinions – but that is actually a time to be curious or use my fictive imagination. “I wonder what it must be like to constantly be asked….” – that type of thing.

    And when I am often inclined to distance and deflect – “How can those people be so hateful?” – that is actually the time to be looking at me and identifying the times I’ve allowed fear or hate or selfishness and entitlement to guide my own behaviors instead.

  4. Rebecca Behar Avatar
    Rebecca Behar

    I will read, and reread this. It is not a collection of ideas that I want to read and then move away from. This seems like a cornerstone, upon which the rest of the work is built. My intention is to come back to this post and read it again and again. Thank you for writing this, Ms. Watkins, and for your loving generosity in sharing it here, for the healing, and betterment, of all.

  5. Rebecca Behar Avatar
    Rebecca Behar

    I respect your commitment not to be silent in this space, Rhonda. Also, to be un-edited, to stop worrying about being articulate. To be you, unvarnished and authentic. I also wish to interact in tis way here. I have been trying to understand the difference between “centering” myself, versus “locating” myself in my work towards being anti-racist. I see now these two concepts are very different. I’m still evolving in my understanding of these two concepts. Centering myself means it’s all about me, or seeing things from my perspective. I had to realize my perspective was through the lenses of whitness, privilege and supremacy. That was super hard for me to become aware of and accept at first, even though now it seems obvious. I had to ask myself some questions:
    Who are you? I am a white person, born and raised in a society biased and created for the benefit and enrichment of other white people. Where and how does my life intersect with oppression and trauma? As a Sephardic Jew with inherited Holocaust trauma. Is it the same experience as Black and Brown people. No, it isn’t. I can hide, pass, blend…my “difference” can be hidden if I choose to hide it. Where and how does my experience as a white person intersect with healing racism? I have to confront, and dismantle my own ingrained racism. It’s hard to do that. It’s unconscious in many ways. I am saying all of this to you, Rhonda, in service to the idea that I don’t want to be silent. I aim to engage here, and to speak the truth, whether it’s uncomfortable or not.

  6. Rhonda Eldridge Avatar

    Silence is slosh. That is what I am exploring. What I am digging deep about. I can read every post. Engage with black leaders. Listen closely. Buy black and, yet, still be silent or engage at a surface level. That is slosh, too. It is privilege to be silent. It is a privilege to parrot back what I believe is the ‘right’ thing to say without truly engaging. Silence is self-soothing, too. This is my commitment to not be silent in this space. This is my commitment to letting go of a need to be ‘good at this’ and ‘articulate’ before saying something.

  7. Deanna Avatar
    Deanna

    Kerri – I just wanted to comment from the future to say that I am coming from a background where I could carry the label given by my parents and teachers as a good, kind, caring person…who has done startlingly little work to earn that title. It’s mind blowing to realize just how unclearly we see ourselves and that white supremacy is such a huge part of our warped worldview.

  8. Deanna Avatar
    Deanna

    I love this metaphor. That slosh is something anyone in my vicinity can slip in. Again reinforcing that harm doesn’t have to be intentional to hurt badly.

  9. Deanna Avatar
    Deanna

    This focus on the North Star is something that is helping me not to give up when I see the footprint of my slosh. No matter how badly I’ve sloshed, giving up on myself just perpetuates the harm I as a white person visit on BIPOC…especially as I mindlessly turn to my baked-in coping mechanisms that you can bet uphold a white supremacist power structure.

  10. Deanna Avatar
    Deanna

    Circling back around and starting this section of the website over again after rereading the guidelines. I’m going to comment my current thoughts and reactions before reading my older comment or responding to others’ in an attempt to really bring myself here in an honest way today.

    This step carries a lot of hope and a lot of prickle for me. I absolutely acknowledge and believe that I need to learn to carry my bucket without sloshing on others. And that this is the place I would like to do it. (There’s imposter syndrome holding me back that I acknowledge is self-focused and not in service to the North Star and that it is part of my slosh to carry responsibly).

    I’ve sloshed in very disappointing ways in the past 3 years in particular, as I chose to divorce and take a managing position at work at the same time. I sloshed on coworkers, my kids, my friends as I struggled to pull myself out of a depressive stupor that was largely built from my own maladaptive habits. So I was that bereft child who tried unsuccessfully to slap a lid over my slosh, but ended up sloshing on others badly. So I come to this tender and mistrustful. Of myself, and of pretty much everyone here. Danger, Will Robinson.

    But I can’t not do this work. Now that I see a little more clearly just how I am blindly, childishly, dangerously perpetuating white supremacy, I have to own it. What I’m doing about it right now is reading through the pinned posts and commenting here on the website instead of Facebook. And I’ll find two people to respond to. I want to go faster so I will go faster. No one is going to swoop in and save me or the black and brown people I’m hurting from myself. It’s on me to do the work.

  11. Deanna Avatar
    Deanna

    “Our self-soothing must never be at the expense of other people. Our self care should not be on the backs of others, ever.”

    Our self-soothing must never be at the expense of other people. This is so central and such an ah-ha for me. Like, I would have agreed with it, but am I actively looking for ways to live by it? Community care is self-care, to a large extent. I don’t know how to go deeper with this right now than to say I’m just going to keep redirecting myself to this. To remember that is my responsibility to mind my slosh. That no matter behind or bad at it I am, I start here, now, and every day. And I do it every day and for the rest of my life to mitigate the harm done to black and brown people.

  12. Deanna Avatar
    Deanna

    Huh. Julia, I’m struck by what you said about how we _do_ contain our slosh at times. And those times are telling. I’m going to sit with that, because the key to following the north star is in there.

  13. Julia Avatar
    Julia

    I told someone this morning that parenting through the difficult parts—at least the ones I’ve seen so far) requires seeing your child in you, and yourself in your child. There’s some bad parenting in my family history, and that was one of the things it lacked. Locating those individuals requires slosh containment that we as white/adjacent people haven’t had to learn.

    And yet. Clearly we do learn some of it, or white women would slosh on white men, and white parents onto white children, always. (I mean they do, a lot, but it’s not always.)

  14. Julia G. Avatar
    Julia G.

    Thank you for reminding me that this analogy is specific to communicating at Lace on Race and when interacting with Black, Indigenous, and People of Color. Our goal is to recognize and dismantle internalized and systemic racism. I’m grateful that you posted.

  15. Julia G. Avatar
    Julia G.

    Christin, the tool box analogy matches how I manage my sloppy bucket while interacting with others. I am grateful to have found a form of counseling that taught me self-awareness skills and gave me tools that work. It can be difficult to use listen and communicate effectively when triggered and/or vulnerable. As you say, most of the time I must consciously think about what tools to use and how to use them when engaging with others. Your post reminded me of the requirement to maintain constant self-awareness at the right moment today! Thank you.

  16. Catherine Seaver Avatar
    Catherine Seaver

    Laura, I appreciate your focus on the very central importance that if we let loose our slosh, it is seen by walkers here, especially by Lace and other black and POC walkers in this space – contributing to whether this is safe-ish for them. My own resolve to handle my bucket carefully, and to not get complacent, feels strengthened by remembering the deep reasons this matters (here and in every part of my life).

  17. Renee Avatar
    Renee

    Yes, that’s a good connection to think about – me sloshing on that woman could have led to her sloshing on others. I used to be a pretty chronic slosher but I’ve done a lot better over more recent years. I will keep working.

  18. Christin Spoolstra Avatar
    Christin Spoolstra

    Great that you’ve made that commitment! Someone (I think Laura) said on the facebook thread that even when we’re sloshing on other white people, slosh keeps flowing and we may trigger them to slosh on people of color. That’s made my bucket handling that much more urgent.

  19. Renee Avatar
    Renee

    Complacency has been a problem for me too. I want to ‘do something.’ It makes me angry and upset when I see injustices but then sometimes (a lot of times) my fire burns out because I feel helpless. ‘Well, it won’t change anything when I go to that march, sign that petition, etc.’ ‘I don’t know what to do.’ So I do nothing. I’m new here, but even here, I worry that this is not enough, even though I know that the internal work is the most important. Like Laura said above, I’m worn down by the months of isolation. I’m a psychologist, so I frequently hold other people’s buckets. I love my work, but it gets heavy. I accidentally spilled all over a lady walking on a trail when she said a snarky comment about my dog. Which is so dumb of me. I’m not a child so it makes me embarrassed that it came out without me even thinking. I want to work hard to not spill on people in this journey. Our collective history has put so much in the buckets of brown and black people that it’s part of my duty to hold others’ buckets. And I worry that mine gets too full and then I get weary. I commit to coming back here.

  20. Renee Avatar
    Renee

    What you said Catherine, about not being good enough as a child relating to the need to DO SOMETHING now, resonated with me. I often had the same experience growing up – I would be asked ‘why is this B not an A?’ and what makes it harder to heal from, is that it came from a place of ‘good intentions.’ My parents would always say that they just wanted what was best for me, but they were never able to be there for me in the way I wanted. I don’t want to do that for black and brown people in this journey for racial justice – I want to DO SOMETHING too, but it needs to be the way that my help is (or isn’t) wanted and not just something that makes me feel better. I have felt a ‘reparenting’ of sorts in raising my daughter. I see our relationship as what I wanted when I was a kid. I’m sure she’ll have her complaints about me when she’s older but for now it’s been corrective for me. I hope to be a corrective experience for others, to lighten their bucket somewhat.

  21. Catherine Seaver Avatar
    Catherine Seaver

    Thanks so much Kathy. I meant to say too that this is my basic, low level commitment while I move through the Guideline articles. I’m hoping to do more and those will be a bonus.

  22. Kathy Kratchmer Avatar
    Kathy Kratchmer

    Brava on setting measurable goals!

  23. Catherine Seaver Avatar
    Catherine Seaver

    I have been thinking so much about this post. I deeply agree that we have to be the person we needed when we were young – I’ve often thought of it as the act of re-parenting myself, and that our only true growing up happens when we do the slow and deep work of examination and holding ourselves (often with help from others: therapists/books/community). I’ve been reflecting on what slosh looks like, and what makes me more likely to slosh. As a child, I learned that I was not enough and definitely needed to be fearful and constantly attuned to what could make those in power happy, or not as angry. I know that my need to help and DO SOMETHING right now is partially triggered by my own experience of neglect. So I’m figuring out how to carefully hold myself so that I can continue walking – especially in this new group – showing up consistently, and engaging thoughtfully and that my motivation is not fear, but instead coming from love. Love will help me pause and pace myself, so I’m present and useful for the life-long walk of anti-racism. The tension of taking action while keeping myself grounded so I am useful for this life-long walk is feeling somehow more TENSE lately.

    I’ve noticed that I’m reluctant to do the hard work of ongoing re-parenting myself during this time – of a viral and racial pandemic… and I’ve wondered why that is. I want to let myself get run down, to be exhausted by the world, to not eat or drink water. And over the last few days I’ve realized that THAT is the key way I’ve let myself off the hook of being more resilient in this anti-racism work… I let myself stay a toddler/regress to being immature. And so I’m thinking about how to make sure I show up. For me what’s been successful has been talking about it (hello!) and also setting very clear goals for myself. So I’m going to say that I’m going to work through these Relational Ethics posts, one per week. And comment, plus comment on two others folks reflections.

  24. Christin Spoolstra Avatar
    Christin Spoolstra

    I like what you say about not trying to define/excuse the directionality of our slosh. I also really liked what Rebecca said upthread about how our sloshing on our white family and friends can activate them to go and slosh on bipoc.

  25. Christin Spoolstra Avatar
    Christin Spoolstra

    Thanks for naming complacency, Laura. I’ve been noticing in myself that things I thought were internalized are not, and when I stopped running through my tool box while engaging, I messed up and sloshed allllll over. Even if I can internalize these things, I don’t think I’ll ever be able not to be actively thinking through my tool box for the choices I make when engaging with myself or others.

  26. Christin Spoolstra Avatar
    Christin Spoolstra

    I’m so happy to be revisiting Terry Real and our bucket slosh. Rereading this I’m seeing so many connections to other topics we’ve been discussing lately in the community that I would have completely missed a year ago. I’m thinking specifically about the Hope and Vision series and our collective quilts and our responsibility to ourselves and to one another all in purpose of reducing and mitigating the harm we do to poc. We need to carry our own bucket so that we can pivot to our community “and look outward and become the people that the person in front of us, that the communities that we choose to walk with and serve, need for us to be.” What does that look like in terms of our community? It means showing up reliably, honestly, and vulnerably. It means receiving feedback with grace and humility and using it to drive change to stop retraumatizing. It means aligning myself. It means contributing to the sustainability of our community, both with time and money. It means being able to walk with other members in kind candor, always pivoting back and pointing at the words of Lace as well as other poc in our community.

    I still have a long way to go. I still find myself sloshing. I still find myself wanting to pass off my own bucket (just for a little bit! just so I can catch my breath! ….I always seem to find the excuse and pass it off as justification). But I am sloshing less. And as I noticed myself sloshing less, I start to think about that level-up. And that’s where I’ve been getting overwhelmed: how to help others learn to hold their buckets while still holding my own. How to engage in kind candor without positing myself as a mentor. I am less afraid of learning how to level up in this community than I am elsewhere. Here we have Lace and others who will step in and push us back as needed. Outside of here, my bubble is very non-black. What I’ve been working on figuring out is how to stay accountable in that environment.

  27. Laura Berwick Avatar
    Laura Berwick

    I hear you on the “sulking and dumping.” I’ve had to be a lot more mindful lately of how I vent to my friends, because we’re all under so many of the same pressures. To me, while this as its meanings for all of my relationships, here and now, in a time of really high tensions in communities across the country, the applies to POC very specifically in this Lace on Race space. A lot of us are white women, but we do have fellow walkers who are black and of color, and of course, we’re led by Lace, a black woman. I mentioned in another reply below, but Lace likes to say “Who we are in this space is who we are,” and I think we can turn that around to “Who we are is who we are in this space.” If we encounter a fellow walker here, even a white woman, and we let loose our slosh, other walkers see that. If we receive challenge or correction from Lace and we slosh on her, our fellow walkers absolutely see that, and see how we are or are not making this space “safe-ish” for them. That’s something I know I’m trying to keep very central in my mind these days.

  28. Laura Berwick Avatar
    Laura Berwick

    I’m glad to be engaging with this material again. I feel like I’ve learned a lot about my bucket since I first encountered the original post. I feel like my bucket is more continually brimful these days, just as I’ve been engaging more and more here in our community. I imagine that for new walkers who may have never thought of themselves this way, like I hadn’t, this is just as valuable as it was for me, but even after walking a while, now that I’m engaging with more walkers, my nerves are on edge from three months of isolation, the heightened tensions across the country, and some recent personal family drama, I feel like I’m having to be even more mindful. I think I’m managing okay. But this isn’t the time to get complacent.

  29. Laura Berwick Avatar
    Laura Berwick

    I’m replying to myself because I just noticed the check box to be notified of followup comments, but I hit post just as I saw it. I’m excited to try this out!

  30. Laura Berwick Avatar
    Laura Berwick

    In addition to sort of a harmful, sloshy, ripple effect, like you mention, Rebecca, I’m reminded of a thing Lace often says. “Who you are in this space is who you are.” The converse is also true. Who you are is who you are in this space. We do have fellow walkers here who are black and POC. When we receive correction in our engagement here, and we slosh, even if it’s on a white woman, and ESPECIALLY if it’s on Lace, they absolutely see it. That takes away from the “safe-ish” nature of this space for them, and we absolutely need them walking with us.

  31. Anna Sloan Avatar
    Anna Sloan

    I appreciate your comment Kerri, and not to worry at all. I notice many of the same patterns you’ve identified in your life in myself, and it is helpful to hear your perspective.

    Lately one of the most striking things I’ve been realizing from Lace’s teaching and from participating in this community is that, despite my brain’s default insistence that I’m special and unique (I had a similar unbringing to you), my behavior falls into SO so many of the patterns as other fellow white women walkers here. I’m not special — I’m predictable!! Internalizing this, and recognizing how these patterns are related to white supremacy in general, and white femininity more specifically, has felt like a door being opened in my mind. Making the connection helps me to see how it is never going to be my place to wear an “expert” hat in this work of racial justice; rather, my job is to be extremely humble, to do a lot of listening, and try to act in alignment with what I learn. This is changing how I interact with other people on the subject, and guiding me to focus much more on inner work and accountability. Glad to be on the journey with you!

  32. Anna Sloan Avatar
    Anna Sloan

    Ingrid, I think the harm to POC comes when we slosh in our relationships with them, whatever those relationships may be (friends, colleagues, fellow community members, etc.) There is often a LOT of slosh that happens for us white women when Black women like Lace call us in to do the work of identifying and dismantling our own internalized racism. Developing the skills to hold our buckets well and manage their slosh will help us to better listen to BIPOC, internalize what is being asked of us, act on it with grace, and to lessen the harm that we so often do to in attempting all of these actions.

  33. Kerri Patton Avatar
    Kerri Patton

    Anna,
    Now that I’ve so rudely taken over your comment I want to respond to your words.

    “Reflecting on this post, I think I might be mistaken in thinking that my slosh can be distinguished by its directionality at all: if I’m sloshing, I’m sloshing — period. And it’s likely that my slosh is hitting BIPOC, even if I’m trying not to hit them, because I have little control over my bucket. I am mistaken if I think I’m going to find the key to this work outside of myself and by transforming the behavior of others. I have a lot to transform in myself — learning to hold myself better, to be more resilient and reliable, and to entirely reduce my slosh.”
    This is really well said. It certainly must be true that the recipient of our slosh doesn’t care if we were aiming for them or not. I really need to be more self-aware of when and where I may be sloshing.
    I am also noticing of others and in myself how easy it is to focus on the terrible and blatantly racist actions of others and think that they are the problem and they are the ones needing to change, when really the internalized and systemic racism is much more dangerous. I need to focus on me and what I can do to change myself and therefore what I can be doing to actively make the lives of Black and brown people better.

  34. Kerri Patton Avatar
    Kerri Patton

    Rebecca- my mind had not made the connection that negative interactions with my family could actually harm the lives of Black and brown people. You’re right- those negative interactions could lead to them having negative interactions with POC and also close the door for conversations about race. Thank you for showing me this.
    I am also very guilty of just being quiet or doing nothing and thinking this is not harmful. Even if it’s not harmful, it’s certainly not lightening the load of anyone else’s bucket.

  35. Kerri Patton Avatar
    Kerri Patton

    You worded this beautifully. Yes, it is so easy to pivot. I found myself going straight to thinking how this could benefit my marriage and life in general when this is NOT the point. The lipstick is not made for me.

  36. Kerri Patton Avatar
    Kerri Patton

    I seemed to have used the reply feature when I did not mean to.
    I also wanted to add that at the end of my thoughts I was meaning that I think I could be a trauma to POC and that I’m certainly not doing anything to make their lives better.
    I also wanted to note how hard it was to think about this information without going straight to “oh wow maybe this will help my marriage!” or basically any area of life that’s not about making life better for POC.

  37. Kerri Patton Avatar
    Kerri Patton

    I’ve got a lot of work to do to figure out what’s in my bucket. My first reaction is thinking that there’s probably not much in there- I had a pretty easy (very privileged) childhood. I also have wonderful parents so my mind doesn’t want to go there, but the more I let myself think about it the more things I see. This concept that our buckets are not only full from childhood residue, but also added on to by the ineffective ways we deal with that childhood residue is thought-provoking. I think a lot of my seemingly benign but honestly quite harmful character traits can be explained by this.
    I grew up being taught that I was special and unique, and I really didn’t have any responsibilities except my school work. I think this has led to a lot of contradictory character traits/flaws of which I usually don’t recognize the flaws. For example, I can be a very hard-worker but can also be incredibly lazy. I think I am pretty good at “reading a room” and sensing which direction a conversation should go, but usually I’m frankly too self-centered to go out of my way to help others. This is especially harmful because in my mind I’m extremely kind, caring, and never cause anyone harm, but in reality, I don’t really go out of my way for people unless it’s for my patients at work (and no, I have not yet unpacked if I am treating my patients of color exactly the same). This must be my excuse for myself for slacking in other areas of my life. I’m realizing that I can be pretty thoughtless and self-centered in my interactions with family, friends, and coworkers. And I’ve gone a long time without really realizing this because I’m really rarely blatantly rude- I think for me it’s more what I don’t say and do. As I am now, I could easily be adding to others’ buckets or be a source of trauma. And most certainly I rarely go out of my way to lighten the buckets of others.
    I apologize that these thoughts are a little disorganized but I just wanted to get my words down

  38. Ingrid Good Avatar
    Ingrid Good

    “… we are not to beat up on either ourselves or others for the contents of each other’s childhood buckets.”
    Ok, so I’ve been going around sulking and dumping – my term for sloshing- on my partner for weeks now and I’d love some tools for changing this. How to own it and not beat up on myself, but also not let myself continue. I am not sure how this is hurting POC- we are both white- except that my energy is not very available to learn how to be an ally.

  39. Anna Sloan Avatar
    Anna Sloan

    Oh my goodness — I too scrubbed a teenage toilet this morning, Rebecca, so your comment is really resonating with me! This part, too: “One part of my slosh bucket lately has been sloshing on white family. This seemed harmless to me, but if I slosh on them, they’ll slosh on other people of color, or refuse to engage with me at all on important racial topics, so I need to be using kind candor wherever I tread. ” I have absolutely been doing the same thing in our entirely white family space, and this helps me to hone in on why it’s really problematic to be sloshing in such a way. I want to be a modeling holding my bucket well, not sloshing over and over again, and “teaching” this slosh.

  40. Christina Sonas Avatar
    Christina Sonas

    I hear that – like, a slosh is a slosh, and if it doesn’t get someone wet now, you can be certain somebody will slip in it at some point.

  41. Christina Sonas Avatar
    Christina Sonas

    I like the tiptoe and silence image – it’s like you may not be close enough to slosh directly on the person, but you’re leaving a big spill on the floor in your hurry to hide, and someone’s gonna get hurt on that later!

  42. Rebecca McClinton Avatar
    Rebecca McClinton

    I just today posted a note in the bathroom our 19 y.o. uses, that the going housekeeping rate for me to scrub and plunge others poo is $5 a plunge/scrub. I’m asking myself now, Rebecca how are you holding your own self accountable to scrubbing my slosh (And not sloshing in the first place). I’m thankful for this call to look at what’s in my slosh bucket and how it’s impacting this work. One part of my slosh bucket lately has been sloshing on white family. This seemed harmless to me, but if I slosh on them, they’ll slosh on other people of color, or refuse to engage with me at all on important racial topics, so I need to be using kind candor wherever I tread. Another part of my slosh is ‘tiptoe’ and ‘silence’…’I’ll just stand over here and silently back away with my slosh bucket and disappear, but that’s still slosh, harmful slosh. I want to engage, and engage well so that I can as you say, “level up” and make others buckets lighter to hold.

  43. Christina Sonas Avatar
    Christina Sonas

    [cross-posted] Through the various mental health challenges in my family, I have been exposed to several different therapeutic models, with the ones I know best being dialectical behavioral therapy (my kids’) and internal family systems (mine). I’m looking forward to adding the wisdom of Lace and Terry Real to my healing so that I can be relationally safer for POC, and therefore more effective at reducing White harm. My primary “slosh” has always been reactivity when my power or authority is challenged. That has been much healed, yet still gives me a great deal of concern around antiracism work, because power and authority are what internalized supremacy and racism in White people are all about.

    I accept the challenge to be “realistically audacious”. I will be honest and vulnerable with myself and my walking companions. And I will breathe the wisdom and practice the skills with awareness and critical feedback so they become strong enough to overcome my dangerous habits.

  44. Jackie Avatar
    Jackie

    “… to gain the capacity, volition, and agency to pivot and look outward and become the people that the person in front of us, that the communities that we choose to walk with and serve, need for us to be.”

    I feel like I learned fairly early why my ability to stay in the car was critical for POC. Recently I’ve been thinking that my ability to do so is also critical for other white women… Both to build the community that we historically lack and to help increase the number of white women in the car.

  45. Anna Sloan Avatar
    Anna Sloan

    This encouragement to pivot to race is so, so needed Kathy. It’s still my tendency to center relationships other than those with BIPOC when thinking about my bucket, my slosh, and how I can hold myself better. (If I ever needed a case to prove to myself how deeply I have ingrained a white supremacist mentality, well, this is it!) I need to practice this pivot again, and again, and again. Thank you for the reminder.

  46. Anna Sloan Avatar
    Anna Sloan

    I am very much looking forward to this work and to developing these tools. I have been sensing lately that my bucket has become unstable and volatile, and I am not holding it well. I’m sloshing quite a bit. This is a detriment to so many things, not least to the community of BIPOC who I need to be showing up for more reliably and with a more even keel than I have before. I need to steady, to self-examine, to remember the deep premise of this work: to reduce the amount of harm that I enact in the world towards Black and Brown people.

    I’ve been struggling this week to distinguish how one balances between being, on the one hand, an agent of care and protection for BIPOC, and one the other hand, an agent of “zero tolerance” and resistance against those who would not choose to prioritize this care. I’ve been sloshing, but trying hard not to slosh in the direction of BIPOC, but still sloshing quite a bit all over others in my vicinity. Reflecting on this post, I think I might be mistaken in thinking that my slosh can be distinguished by its directionality at all: if I’m sloshing, I’m sloshing — period. And it’s likely that my slosh is hitting BIPOC, even if I’m trying not to hit them, because I have little control over my bucket. I am mistaken if I think I’m going to find the key to this work outside of myself and by transforming the behavior of others. I have a lot to transform in myself — learning to hold myself better, to be more resilient and reliable, and to entirely reduce my slosh.

  47. Kathy Kratchmer Avatar
    Kathy Kratchmer

    “We are going to be realistically audacious as we do this work here in this space; this work of lessening and mitigating the harm suffered and endured by Black and brown people at the hands–and words–of white people.“

    I’m thinking about how easily I can pivot **away** from our primary purpose when engaging with material that soothes, heals, edifies, restores, enlarges the aching places in my white self.

    As you say, those very real benefits are not the point—though our growing in them, in these relational skills, is essential to our primary purpose. So I’m committing to keeping our purpose front and center—becoming safer to and mitigating harm done to Black people— and not paying much attention to the very real incidental healing that comes to me.

    The lipstick wasn’t made for me.
    (See Lace’s 5/30/20 video if the lipstick reference doesn’t make sense)

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