Straws and Mist

From Marlise:

I found an old conversation between Lace and me, and there are ample connections to our recent discussions on self care, forced scarcity, holding others, and the droplets we give out. I am adding connecting commentary throughout but the conversation itself stands on its own. As a note, the conversation does hold spiritual undertones, but I think is still applicable to everyone no matter their stance or beliefs. -Marlise

Lace:

a visual that just came to me is that of our udders being hooked up and then branching off into straws where hundreds, thousands, even millions of white women, suck away, some with multiple straws in their mouths from multiple black women, and they never let go of their straws, but they allow others to graft on to their straws and call the milk their own, and charge for it. meanwhile, the black women are depleted, and only stop producing when they are completely dry and become the dust on which the white women stand.

yowza.

another image: the dissociation in response to the distortion is not necessarily an inevitability. a visual of breathing back life into the Giver, directly from the teat, or through all those tangled straws brings back an idea of a measure of reciprocity. Even when the Giver delivers more than she receives, multiple people breathing back into the straw is sustaining.

Note: This image depicts forced scarcity as a model of white supremacy in contrast to a communal breathing. How are we holding those we think need no holding?

Marlise:

When each person was designed to find a bit of water to pour into another’s hand but instead greedily slurps on the assumption that thirst is coming, only enforced by the simple fact that said individual made another go thirsty. Self preservation from fear not from actual reality. The well of the spirit is unending. The waters can be passed from one hand to the next. Unless, someone gets fearful the handfuls will stop.

Lace:

fear of scarcity brought upon by the depletion of the person on whom you are drawing, which makes for the clench. you are afraid of their death to dust, and you worry about your impending loss, but not enough to breathe back.

this is stunning.

This is the part that must be said, but also must be divorced from explicit Christianity: When one turns away from the Unending Well, and relies on the temporal, and particularly on the temporal marginalized *which you have had a hand in depleting* that will not go well. Not for you. Not for the Other. We are making for deserts; for famine.

Note: “Afraid of their death to dust.” White people have made BIPOC not human, as something to consume. We simultaneously aim to destroy and kill, while using BIPOC as our life source. With white supremacy, there can be no end but death.

Marlise:

My question for myself, what is the well I can draw upon to refill my bucket that isn’t taking another’s last sip?

While, in theory, I should be able to draw upon my husband or friends, it is almost irresponsible to do so just because I SHOULD be able to, especially if their bucket is getting empty.

Lace:

again, an image: loaves and fishes. From a secular standpoint, yes, it is impossible. From the standpoint of our God breathing life and abundance from the most meager of resources, it becomes possible.

A prototype on what I might write on your page: yes, we have the right to ask for a droplet of last drops from those who say they love us. What we breathe back into them can be seen as mist, not visible drops, but what collects on dashboards and bathroom mirrors. Collected over time, what we give our friends are indeed drops.

Note: we need to be aware of the mist we breathe back. That breath that has been aerosolized comes from the depths of our being. It will carry with it any pathogens we hold, along with the mist. This is part of managing our own slosh. Are we spewing toxic particles or are we offering sustaining life?

Marlise:

Then I think the tricky part for me is actually speaking up about tangible drops that I need and accepting the mist I receive instead of trying to give it back out of fear I will lose it anyways

Lace:

But yes, it does take time, and trust from the Other that there will be enough mist, from you, and from others, that there will be enough mist to sustain.

Marlise:

Slurps of water quench immediate physical thirst. Mist touches and hydrates everything else. The dry, cracking skin. The coarse, splitting hair. The dusty worn out feet.

One can survive with slurps. One can live with mist. With the rain that starts as a fog and increases to a downpour.

That initially makes muddy puddles but with enough force carves rivers of clean life.

Lace:

about the hands receiving water. That is not at all a perfect exchange. when you transfer your water to mine, there is leakage even ‘waste’ in the sense that some of it will spill, some of it will leach through my hands, no matter how tightly i keep my fingers, some of it is absorbed into your own hands, and some of it becomes mist. this is an inefficient system. but a crucial one.

Note: Efficiency. Transactional exchange. Individual dependence. Designed scarcity.

All are in opposition to communal, sustainable, reliant living.


20 responses to “Straws and Mist”

  1. Nicole Larson Avatar
    Nicole Larson

    Thoughts, September 24, 2021
    1. “…multiple straws in their mouths from multiple black women, and they never let go of their straws, but they allow others to graft on to their straws and call the milk their own…”
    I have been learning a lot from Lace, the leadership team, and others. You all have turned a spotlight on the racism and white supremacy I have been harboring. I don’t like what I am seeing in this respect. I want to lessen and mitigate the harm done to Black and brown people and perpetuated by white people and white supremacy, but I don’t know if I am capable in my current state. This scares me, in particular because of the many nonwhite people I am close to in real life.

    2. “…forced scarcity as a model of white supremacy in contrast to a communal breathing. How are we holding those we think need no holding?”
    At first, I thought, “I’m not doing this.” However, at a closer look at my own heart and actions, I have done exactly this in many situations: I don’t have enough capacity to take care of myself, how can I possibly take care of ___? I know in my head that everyone needs holding, at least at some times. My heart is another story, based on what I say and do.

    3. “Self preservation from fear not from actual reality…fear of scarcity brought upon by the depletion of the person on whom you are drawing, which makes for the clench. you are afraid of their death to dust, and you worry about your impending loss, but not enough to breathe back. this is stunning.”
    The story I shared about the racist on the train is an example of the first sentence. Had the racist laid hands on, or even yelled at, me, someone on the train would probably have responded. As it was, others only did after I tried to speak with his target. As for the rest of the above statement…I am not sure how to apply this right now. I will ponder it and return until I have an answer.

    4. “White people have made BIPOC not human, as something to consume. We simultaneously aim to destroy and kill, while using BIPOC as our life source. With white supremacy, there can be no end but death.”
    I thought I had been working to end this kind of thing. Instead, per my conversations with all of you, it’s the opposite. I have been draining primarily Lace, but all of you as well.

    5. “what is the well I can draw upon to refill my bucket that isn’t taking another’s last sip?// Slurps of water quench immediate physical thirst. Mist touches and hydrates everything else. The dry, cracking skin. The coarse, splitting hair. The dusty worn out feet.//One can survive with slurps. One can live with mist. With the rain that starts as a fog and increases to a downpour.//That initially makes muddy puddles but with enough force carves rivers of clean life.”
    As you know, I am a survivor of abuse. I have allowed that to affect my approach to life in general, to grab after love, authority, and more, whether others choose to give it or not. This is not right, to say the least.

    In addition, I recognize that I must accept that rather than gulping from a stream and depleting it, the mist is sustaining enough. To me, this means that if someone meets me with kindness, that’s enough. If someone shows me my problem areas in whatever way, I need to be grateful for the mirror, not take their approach personally. This last one is particularly difficult for me.

    6. “about the hands receiving water. That is not at all a perfect exchange… this is an inefficient system. but a crucial one.// Note: Efficiency. Transactional exchange. Individual dependence. Designed scarcity.// All are in opposition to communal, sustainable, reliant living.”

    Do I understand this? I have thought that “communal, sustainable, reliant living” is important to me. Looking at what I have said and done, I am not so sure anymore. And I must look at and uproot the reasons, beginning with why I think I deserve more and better than I do.

  2. Julia Tayler Avatar
    Julia Tayler

    I have a lot of straws. LOTS. This exchange really got me thinking about water and all the reusable straws and how I need to shore up my efforts. I don’t want to be a drain. I want to be kind and share my water. But at the same time I grew up with a scarcity mindset and that voice comes back – do I have enough? How much do I need? That has been a wakeup call. The image of this exchange has got me thinking again about hoarding resources and how uneven the playing field is for all resources. A lot to digest and then get out and act out what I’m learning.

  3. Julia Tayler Avatar
    Julia Tayler

    I agree – I didn’t realize that I had such a “me” first mentality and such a scarcity mindset until just recently with the help of LOR. I used to think that it was “my” water and others should get their own. Welp.
    I needed to make sure I had enough first – and some back up at that. It has been eye opening to say the least.

  4. Julia Tayler Avatar
    Julia Tayler

    This is surely a play I’ve made in the past. Thank you for pointing it out so I can watch myself/catch myself with this.

  5. Shara Cody Avatar
    Shara Cody

    At LoR breathing back into the straw in reciprocity with Lace means at the very least following the guidelines, engaging financially, and living it out my praxis so that the progress is visible (not hiding or doing it on my own) and I can be corrected and redirected when needed.
    How often I think I’m reciprocating but it’s through transaction and consumption (eg. purchasing goods and services) or I slide into losing strategies like unbridled self-expression with my best friends who are WOC. Working to change this toxic mist I’m puffing back to turn it into consistent, enveloping mist that can sustain others.
    Because I’ve been programed and am constantly receiving messaging to take and to self-protect, I have to focus on giving much more than I take to change that behavior and to counter the constant harm perpetuated to BIPOC by white people, including me, and white supremacy.

  6. Nicole Larson Avatar
    Nicole Larson

    I hear you Rebecca. I have done the same thing numerous times, without even thinking: i just took the words as a compliment and left it at that. What would have happened had I given the other person the thing they admired? I need to own this and learn from it.

  7. Nicole Larson Avatar
    Nicole Larson

    I agree Marlise. Although I have lived mostly inside or close to our home since last spring, I do occasionally encounter people who need something I can do or give. It is my responsibility to do what I can, without either hoarding or harming myself and my husband.

  8. Nicole Larson Avatar
    Nicole Larson

    This is profound.
    I am sure I will have to go over this several times as I grow here, but what I see right now is that each of us is responsible for taking care of not only ourselves, but of the other people in our communities. One way is talking with the other person and treating them as a fellow human, perhaps especially the disabled, the homeless, or others who are visibly worse off. Another is providing something the other person needs physically or mentally.
    The point I am making is that while it is easy to throw money at someone and walk away, the odds are that money alone won’t really help where it makes a difference to the person’s life, spirit, vitality.

  9. Kelsi Watters Avatar
    Kelsi Watters

    Vicki, yes! Tamed vs. untamed waters, trusting what we cannot see, ALL of that. This hits home for me, and not just because I am non-sighted. I think that in racial justice spaces, trusting what we cannot see means contributing our mist even when we can’t see the long-term effects or sustainability of that mist. We trust that that mist will hydrate the community long-term, even though we cannot see the tangible impact. We become givers of life by giving from our own palmful of water, even when the fear of scarcity would ell us there is not enough to go around we trust that there is, that we are all meant to give in our own small way.

  10. Kelsi Watters Avatar
    Kelsi Watters

    Marlise, I can relate to this, especially as a helping professional. I have had to learn not to impulsively give my whole handful of water, thus depleting myself until I become the focus or have an urgent need to be taken care of. I need to do this work, to contribute what I have to offer, while also caring for myself – because I am helping no one if I become so depleted that others then need to take care of me. Then I end up getting whole buckets of water, thus depriving many more individuals than if I had just taken my necessary drink.

  11. Christin Spoolstra Avatar
    Christin Spoolstra

    That’s interesting, Marlise… because the earrings seem to me like cookies, the praise and acknowledgement craved, the literal badge of honor that we as ww were seen and appreciated by a person of color. That not only are those cookies counterintuitive to the work but that we’ve also twisted recognition into a scarcity model.

  12. Christin Spoolstra Avatar
    Christin Spoolstra

    Thanks for bringing me back to past conversations about authentic self care and how it’s so misconceptualized in white culture. Authentic self care is also North Star-centered

  13. Jessie Lee Avatar
    Jessie Lee

    Oof, this. The martyrdom. Even in the moment I reject the sip, it’s about me and my ego and appearance rather than doing my part to ensure there remains enough for everyone. It’s like a way of hoarding in advance.

  14. Clare Steward Avatar
    Clare Steward

    Such a good call out Marlise. I can definelty name instances where I have exhibited this type of behavior. The self-sacrifice mentality (martyrdom) does not lend to sustainabilty and detracts from the positive impact of the initial contributions.

  15. Marlise Flores Avatar
    Marlise Flores

    I have been contemplating another branch off of this topic…another way I as a white person deplete and demand and consume. I think that there is a tendency to pass my entire handful of water without taking a drink until I pass out. Then, I become the focus or the one who is rushed a bucket of water from many, instead of continuing the communal chain of sustenance. I am responsible for knowing what I need to do to take care of myself without becoming the focus or emergency, as well as nourishing those around me.

  16. Marlise Flores Avatar
    Marlise Flores

    I am thinking about those earrings as another layer of scarcity/withholding in that when we find someone noticing us, or being in relationship with us, we clench that tight as well. Which is, in a way, turning someone into a resource or object instead of allowing the agency and space for them to be a person. We hold tight to things that we see as part of our identity because, as white people, we tend to have a lack of identity.

  17. Rebecca McClinton Avatar
    Rebecca McClinton

    ‘It has been socialized into each one of us to take more than we give…that we make sure that we always get the better relational deal’. I have read that several times through, thinking about all the layers of that in life, so many areas where without even a second thought I take more than I give and in so doing deplete Black and brown lives and wellbeing…financially, yes, but also time, emotional energy, physically, medically, creatively, so many more. Marlise’s words about ‘self-preservation from fear not from actual reality’ always stands out to me in the straws piece. Even if every last thing were taken from me, I’d still have more because of the ease with which I could get it back. It’s irrational and asinine to cling so, and there’s beauty, freedom, and life in letting go. Several years ago I commented to an Indigenous woman how lovely her earrings were, and without even the slightest hesitation she took them off and gave them to me, and told me I should have them. I’ve had people tell me the same of those earrings since then, but did I do the same and reflexively give them? No. I chose to own that experience by holding onto them, and in doing so missed the point entirely. Those earrings she gave me could never be more valuable than the lesson she taught me, and have been entirely missing by holding onto them. That’s one of the things I’m reflecting on today…for every bit I hold and hoard is costing life, meaning, and beauty elsewhere.

  18. Christin Spoolstra Avatar
    Christin Spoolstra

    I am glad we pushed you to choose a favorite because it resulted in Straws & Mist being migrated to the Cafe. This is a post to which I regularly return and I process differently each time.

    Here are my previous comments from the original post on facebook; I’ll post my new thoughts as a reply to this:
    The image of the straws being greedily sucked up by ww and then our charging to siphon off some of that to other ww… I see that when I fail to attribute, when I pass myself off as a knowledge source without acknowledging my teachers, when I take a leadership position instead of creating space for poc leaders. I also really related to the self-perpetuated/created scarcity fear and passing off the cups of water and how I’ll take someone’s last droplet due to my own fear of possible thirst. We are not living in a community. I’ve been connecting that in terms of self-care and how since I’m in management I have the liberty to do a happy hour meeting for ‘mental health’ but still quibble about the hours being put in by the other staff

    There was a lot in here that I was connecting to different conversations we’ve been having lately and also processing through some clenches in myself I’ve noticed. I got a bit overwhelmed trying to make a coherent thought so I tried to reflect more quickly, re-read and edit less often, but the following did become a bit disjointed. If all of the below were to be boiled down, I think I’m struggling with envisioning true, eye-to-eye community. I’m trying to pick out the tangible pieces I can see and work on choosing them daily, hoping that as those are engrained I’ll see the next piece. What it means, though, is that I’m not reducing my clench, I’m just pushing past it. And that feels really halfassed to me.
    By the end, this post became waaaay too TL;DR… I’ve always found it easier to process disjointed thoughts through journaling, and that’s pretty much what this is, but what I need to highlight is the next steps because without them this post is a whole lot of harm (stating the clench, the realization, without the corrective action), so I am committing to: learning more about eye-to-eye community (both in seeking out articles, books as well as keeping that lens in mind while engaging here particularly in revisiting the RE series in earnest); investing more time by carving out a specific schedule for antiracist work and engagement in multiple spheres before bed (so I start my day with LoR and end it in the same vein); do a deeper dive into our budget to find and cut out more “wants” so that we can do more; investing in holding Lace better by quickening my learning pace and being more available throughout the day to respond to comments so that hopefully Lace and the admin team get more time back; engaging financially with the other spaces where I’ve been learning now instead of waiting for my husband to be back at work
    ——
    Our discussions recently about transactional relationships vs seeing eye-to-eye brought me back here, primarily due to the question: “How are we holding those we think need no holding?” If someone is eye-to-eye with us, we empathize, we know that they will need holding and we can use our fictive imagination to think how to do that. But when we put them on a pedestal, that person is so strong, they don’t need any holding. And when we put below ourselves, that person doesn’t get a thought to what holding they might need. Both placing above and below are transactional relationships. Both of these are forms of white supremacy against people of color. I show the former when I think of Lace as a “strong black woman,” able to withstand and support me through my racist bullshit. I show the latter when I don’t consider how my postings will land with bipoc.
    The other transactional component that brought me back was the image of pouring water into another’s hand. As Marlise said, “The waters can be passed from one hand to the next. Unless, someone gets fearful the handfuls will stop.” So much trust – so much community! – is required to pass the water. It’s likely my fear of someone else being untrustworthy will push me to slurp up all the water first before someone else gets the chance to. I would rather break the community first out of fear of being screwed by it. Enforced scarcity.
    The trust required is also a trust in my own honesty and transparency. Like Anna questioned: “have I misjudged how much water it takes for me not to be thirsty”? And, also, do I have entitlement that is making me create a different definition level of thirst for myself than that I would extend to people of color? Danielle responded to question “how long can I go without or do with less?” My immediate thought went to the airplanes and affixing your own mask first. Like, what good am I to anyone if I die of thirst? But what does that mean when it’s really broken down? It means I think that I am of use, it means that I think my living will be more valuable to the group than another living in my stead. What that means is I haven’t truly internalized the need to follow black leadership. The other, perhaps more tangible on a day-to-day basis, is what Varda pointed out about how white women tend to hoard resources “with the idea that we will be able to benefit others.” Varda points out that we rarely release those resources. I’d add that when I do it’s to causes/people that *I* deem need it. Still entwined with not following black leadership. And very indicative of the lack of community. Direct giving has become less of a clench for me, though I suppose I’m still vetting it in a way by determining to whom I will respond for calls of action. Which, isn’t necessarily a bad thing, but certainly needs to be interrogated.
    My clench as of late, particularly as it relates to scarcity and passing the water, has been around our home. We bought land a couple years ago on a big bank loan and began building a home last year with about half of the financing borrowed from my parents. If we had chosen to live rural, we’d be done already and not so much in debt. Instead, we – well, I – pushed for an area and a home with future rental value, thinking that would make us smarter investors. To me that connects with Varda’s questions about giving up her 401k: will the community care for her in her old age? I feel that very viscerally. In my original pass through this post several months ago, I found myself reflecting on how we will not have social safety nets until those with private ones give them up and feel the need to have the legal ones. Recently, I’ve been thinking a lot about having children and simultaneously listening to Nice White Parents, thinking about how I have these clenches around our home, around having a retirement account/savings now without children. How much harder will these clenches become when we have them? To “sacrifice” one’s own for the community? I was commenting elsewhere about Abraham and Isaac and that willingness to sacrifice, but I think what I was missing in that post is the heart of community: to truly feel as viscerally each time we as a white supremacist society sacrifice (that’s disingenuous…. “destroy” seems more honest…) a Black or brown child. And I think that’s the big root of my clench: that I still don’t want to connect our savings account to the harms perpetrated against bipoc. And financial resources are not the only ones: where I am clenching around my time and around my social capital? I know I do the former way more often.

    So where have I started investing my time? Here is the clearest example. I do other actions but not on a defined schedule as I do with LoR. What Lace said has been pushing at me lately, that the “fear of scarcity brought upon by the depletion of the person on whom you are drawing, which makes for the clench. you are afraid of their death to dust, and you worry about your impending loss, but not enough to breathe back.” So how is that playing out in my life? Where am I depleting my own nourishment and yet still refusing to breath back? Like what Shay said, with relating the “multiple straws in our mouth” to following “several racial justice sites but only consistently financially engage in two.” There are many spaces where I am the 99%, where I have my straw and am not breathing back. Awhile back I went on a following spree in order to diversify my feed, but I’m only now understanding the harm I am doing by being one of the nameless, disengaged masses. I did leave Didi’s space until I’m willing to commit to her learning units and regular engagement (time and money). But there are still others, others that I want to be engaging with financially but have kept saying we should wait until my husband’s back at work.
    So I need to address that enforced scarcity. Is there a bottom to the well? Lace discusses the Unending Well of Christ and the loaves and fishes. Before I broke from the church, my very first tattoo addressed this via Ecclesiastes 1:8 and Philippians 4:4: that the tangible things of this world are ultimately unsatisfying so to focus instead on the ethereal, on concepts like love, justice, and humanity. I still find myself struggling with the unending nature of resources, particularly finances, but maybe there is where I need to be coming back to the passing of water. To be honest about my own need and slurp only what I need instead of what I want. To pass on and trust that others will do the same. In being honest about my need, I’m still working through the long- and the short- term. We could be giving more right now, but that would mean no longer putting money toward the house, so I justify holding back a certain amount that if we hold it now, we’ll have the house sooner and no longer be paying rent and therefore have even more money to give. Or, for example, when thinking about appliances: do we get the bare minimum fridge or the one that’ll last longer and eat less electricity? Part of me thinks there are very reasonable questions. The other part thinks I’m trying to justify myself into the clench. I will need to reflect on whether I’m trusting in an unending well, because I don’t think I am.
    Below are the two biggest challenges I’m finding with how to live this out:
    With the eye-to-eye relationships, we are required to sustain one another. To know when to ask for someone’s last drops as well as to give our own final drop. Our actions in community are mist, that sustaining, moisturizing balm. I do have that same instinct Shay mentioned about drawing only upon myself, but I have become better at vulnerability and trust. Where I get stuck is thinking of what I can breathe back to Lace (or even the admins and other community members). Like, I follow the guidelines and I engage, but I still feel like I’m just straw sucking. Maybe it’s my conscience telling me I’m not investing enough. Maybe it’s my desire to avoid white saviourism that I ignore service opportunities. And I think that leads me to my other challenge: my lack of imagination.
    There are times I find comfort or strength or conviction in the metaphor but cannot quite articulate why. This is one of those, because the images of community and the unending well and sharing the mist of our last drops… I want it, I ache for it… but I can’t tangibly say what that looks like in my daily actions. I do often find my posts here relying on the metaphor, and I know I’m learning, but when I try to go the next step to daily, concrete action, I’m more likely to get stuck (something I have been practicing by naming specific corrective actions in comments). For example, I LOVE what Shay said: “breathe life back into my relationships not out of entitlement or expectation but hope and trust. This will be the mutually sustaining life air of relational relationships.” I’m just struggling to envision it in the tangible. Like what Jessie said: “our [white woman] clench comes from missing what we have become entitled to taking from you, but not from missing you.” I would VERY much miss Lace, as a person, as a leader. My concern is that “transactional exchange, individual dependence, and designed scarcity” are so engrained in me that I don’t show that, don’t live it out in alignment. And, as Marlise said in the original post, they are “all in opposition to communal, sustainable, reliant living,” a type of living that I’m only just starting to glimpse and stumbling around in pursuit of.

  19. Clare Steward Avatar
    Clare Steward

    Throughout a large part of my life, I did not realize that I was conditioned to consume and to deplete resources. To hoard for me and “mine”. I viewed myself as connected and compassionate but I see that was a ruse. I thrived on competition and comparison. On taking what I could get and winning with little thought of being intentional in repleneshing and giving back. I still constantly fight those individualistic tendencies to shove as many straws in my mouth as possible and to drink as if the water is never ending…never looking at the source or to see who doesn’t have a straw.

    I love the visual of a constant, steady mist enveloping and permeating everything. I tend to work in torrential downpours- drenching everything around me- the all or nothing way of being. I grew up in New Mexico and I am used to seeing flash floods. Much needed water can be overwhelming and damaging as it meets hard packed earth that has gone too long without moisture. This is a great reminder to be steady and reliable and constant in order to nurture and sustain life vs flooding/sloshing and causing more damage than good, only to withdraw again for extended periods of time leaving parched and dusty earth.

  20. Vicki van den Eikhof Avatar
    Vicki van den Eikhof

    I can’t help but think about the imagery of water-the waters of chaos that God tamed through the process of creation to benefit mankind. The way They let a little bit of living water leak onto the land in rivers and streams with rhythms of flooding and drying that allow us to grow crops, and herd animals. The untamed waters are a source of fear and danger. The tamed waters are a source of life. The clouds, fog, and mist obscure the true Givers of Life, so that we have to learn to trust what we cannot see.
    We can become givers of life and can do our part to tame the waters of chaos. But we ultimately cannot control them, or others. Only trust, or have faith, that the Other will also do their part.

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