Sitting in Liminal Spaces

So late last year, the Admin team here at Lace on Race decided that we would do a year end summary of sorts about our dreams and hopes–and also to let all of you know how much this space means to us.

We asked a Community Member, Radha L. if she would be willing to write a quick jot. What we received was something else entirely.

I, and the rest of the Admin team read her offering several times, each time marveling at her melding of the personal and the political; her resolutions and her resistance, her self-described gratitude and grumpiness as she has faithfully walked alongside us in the moors of Lumpy Crossings.

I won’t divulge the gist of the essay; that is for you to discover and savor. But those of you who have been privy to her insights and her risk-taking truths she has undertaken in this space on all of our behalf know of the wisdom we will glean as we enter into her wise words. Not an easy saunter, this.

No, Radha, in her kind and candid way, speaks of feet sometimes leaden; sometimes grudging, but always faithful.

It is this. This is no testimonial like ones you might otherwise see, where all is always well, and there is uninterrupted upward trajectory. Hear this: this is the gift. It is in the internal struggle that Ms. L. describes so well.

And it rings so true in this space. Here in the land of Lumpy Crossings, learning to walk even as we learn to become more and more the place of comfort where those we choose to stand with and walk with can trust in your strength; your willingness, capacity, and agency on days when their feet are sore. This is no small thing. To become a place, to choose daily, sometimes hourly to become a place of succor where people can stand is huge.

To trust that others can and will hold you is doubly miraculous: in the fact that there are people who invite you to rest in and on them; and the concomitant miracle that you can learn to trust and to lean in and know that your sore feet can rest in other’s safe-ish places.

So read, reflect, comment. And be sure to thank Radha for her gracious contribution to our community. We would be a lesser space absent her voice and her witness.

-Lace

One of the battles I keep fighting in my psyche, including in the context of therapy is: why do people need constant education about boundaries and justice? My therapist says both things can be true at once: a) that we have to reaffirm boundaries all the time with the same people; and b) people who are intimately involved in our lives need to start behaving in a way that shows they can be trusted. We throw these ideas back and forth like an annoying “whap whap” tennis ball sound, till I don’t know what my value system is anymore, and I am briefly amused by the mental image of the ball whapping him on the head. Just enough to glance off it. Just enough to make me chuckle. It’s my way of coping with the helpless rage I feel, knowing that systemic injustice cannot be wiped out by self care and personal character building, yet we have to survive so we can be witness to the struggle.

Why should his two-part ethos bother me so much? Over time I’ve come to see that it’s because, in the interstices between the two ideas, people slither into spaces that marginalized people have worked hard to create and protect, and they colonize those spaces, then gaslight the creators into giving up power.

So if I must constantly defend my right to a way of being, I am saying that it is okay to subject my dignity and survival to debate. How horrifying. And if I wish people to behave in those unwaveringly trustworthy ways, then it stands to reason that I must be part of their education. The very idea of ‘parenting’ someone endlessly this way so that they won’t erase my identity is what I find appalling.

This is the work that I see Lace on Race taking on. Since I began reading and participating, and trying to be shifted by her words, I have been pondering what it means to shape myself into a person that black people can count on. But how do I do that without them always having to relive painful memories, and recount just enough horrifying data so that I will believe them? Without centering myself and saying “I can relate because one day I, as a person of color, had a similar experience…”?

Reading this page has been an exercise in noticing: That racial justice in this country isn’t possible without whiteness being reshaped. But racial supremacy has that toxic way of getting stuck—stuck on the anger of being called out; stuck on the growth and reshaping part; stuck on the delight of being centered in the work; stuck on how delicious it is to dwell in fragility. Stuck in the space between a) needing and expecting constant education, and b) showing trustworthiness. Remaining stuck is wonderful. Black America cannot afford to stop mentoring us, so we never have to be existentially alone. And every time a moment comes when we might truly demonstrate our allyship, we can retreat to “I am a work in progress.”

I’m not white, but I might as well be. One of the first things a fellow Indian immigrant said to me about living in an American city was, “If a black person walks near you, hold onto your handbag.” I see so many examples of how we are supposed to ally with whiteness. Call out whiteness when it damages us, as it tends to do, but never seek to drop the hand of whiteness. I think it’s crucial to work on this issue, and am wary of doing so. My fragility is so tiresome.

Focusing on the work is what I want to do better in 2020. We all have ways in which our marginalized identities may intersect with racial justice, but as people who pose a threat to black wellbeing, I think it’s important not to let it all bleed together.

Recently, my husband lost his wallet, and had to cancel our credit cards. I was late on every sustaining payment I made that month, and felt so ashamed, I considered messaging Lace to explain the delay. Before I could act on that thought, I remembered that she had once written about how readers would write to her saying they wished they could contribute, but they had financial troubles of various sorts. What was Lace supposed to do with these confessions? Write back and say it’s okay, extract my labor for free? So I didn’t reach out, but I sat with why I wanted to, and it wasn’t fun.

So often, as a parent of special needs children, I read things posted by Lace and I “pivot to disability.” Is it wrong to do so? Somehow, fundamentally, I believe that our instinct to do this stuff can be harmful. It certainly hampers disability justice, the idea that until something is personal, we don’t show up, take action. I want to think more deeply about how to be practical in my self education, knowing that some aspect of it has to be personal or I won’t learn, but also reflecting on how that can detract from, and delay, justice for people I claim to care about.

The hardest part for me, as an immigrant, is not conflating white and black America. Because we do it. Not just in an “I don’t see race” way, but in contexts of, say, what American religious identity might look like to those of us who aren’t from monotheistic backgrounds. How uncomfortable,say, it is to call out the appropriation of yoga. It’s easy to speak out when white people are making money off our practices, and erasing us from them. I can express how toxic I find it. How much I do not care whether, while being yogis, they are still worried about being pristine in their Abrahamic values. How largely uninterested they appear to be in being so disrespectful to our beliefs, or how invested they are in wanting us to reframe it as respect. How often I have been told that their Hindu or Buddhist friend So and So said it was okay, so why am I withholding my blessing.

But when it’s about the increasing value of yoga in the lives of black women, I tend to stop talking. Not because it doesn’t make me uncomfortable, it does, but because I would not wish to be the ally who overlooks the succor of yoga, the healing it can provide, to people fighting for survival, who benefit greatly from the movement of breath, the support of the earth. Lace and I talked briefly about this, but to be honest, I ran away from it. I hope not to run in future. South Asians pilfer from black American art and culture all the time, without offering any sort of truthful reckoning. I believe we should, and am glad that it’s been happening.

A very different vision of America is emerging for me, after I have begun this learning. I am both grateful and grumpy about it. But if I want to eschew a colonizer vision of what it means to live here and be counted on, this is the work. So I am thanking Lace and also whining at her in my head. Both things are true.

Radha.

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169 responses to “Sitting in Liminal Spaces”

  1. Leanne Nealy Avatar
    Leanne Nealy

    I needed to read many more comment before I jumped in with my ww privilege and brought it to a history lesson I made into my story. I even added my own daughter into it.

    After reading more and more comment, I realize the through my supremacy, I couldn’t see the real truths it was imparting. I’m beginning to. I will keep walking and slow the responses dow. They are mostly knee jerk responses.

  2. Leanne Nealy Avatar
    Leanne Nealy

    Im putting myself and feelings in the center of this. It’s not my place to do so. I could say I’m “ growing” lol. That would be another excuse to not be thoughtful of the reading and pivoting to what I have done to mitigate the harm done to black and brown people by white people and white supremacy. I really want to be a reliable walker and not splash my slosh around and to carry it myself. I see the Northstar. Im following it. I want to be a safe space.

  3. Leanne Nealy Avatar
    Leanne Nealy

    I can understand this. I will come from being a ww trying to mitigate the harm done to Black and Brown people by white people and white supremacy.

    I am, and have been very p#sped off by the outright stealing of the one true American Art form, The Blues. This includes other black created music types that flowed from it naturally. It was hijacked by white people.

    If you look at the majority of Blues Festivals you will not see many if any Black Musicians on the bill. Let alone one as a the headliner.

    It’s beyond egregious. An Art Form created completely by Black People. One that they have never received any an attempts of compensation for. Never any of the Real Money. Neither do they today. Or even true Reverence over what they did create.

    We’re talking about the only True Art American Art Form. It belongs Black People.

    It’s not wrong necessarily for a white person to write or play an existing blues song and even profit from it. Each dollar needs to be spread where the credit is due. To black and brown people Creators as well. When white people are truly playing the Blues with a Hesed Heart and making a living from it. They owe the Creators hard money as well as respect and recognition.

    As well if you are a white Blues Artist who believes so much in their supremacy, that they completely ignore the North Star and the obligation as a WP as well as a WP playing Blues Music. You are bad actors, living your life off the back of the Black Creators. And they are many.

    My daughter is a musician who started out in the Blues tradition at about 14 years old. Later she purposely decided that another white woman “playing the Blues” was not needed. There was enough of that. She knew more than enough BW who could do it and do it much better than her or other ww, when given the chance.

    I love the Blues and all that flows from it.

    I’ll have to think about how many were and how many are being hurt and discarded while white people made and making money from Black People’s creations. Creations that come from the Blues tradition within the black community. Of course even hip hop belongs in this group.

    It happens in all places. This just hits me deep.

    The only Art Form created in America was the Blues. It was mostlycreated by people who identify as Black.

    Yet they have never been compensated or given a degree of decency that is demanded of borrowers of this only True American Art Form.

    As I said before. There presence is even not seen or little seen, in Blues Festivals. That has happened in the last thirty years or so.

    All the rest has been happening since slavery where you can trace its beginnings.

  4. Rayellen Kishbach Avatar
    Rayellen Kishbach

    This piece was so helpful to read today. I’m TRUSTING that my capacity to be in this discomfort will/is expanding as I continue down this exposure path, and as I type that, I see how I’m STILL making it all about me and my feels. So yeah, this is uncomfortable, and hell yes I commit to being a person who does NOT pose a threat to black well-being. I agree that my fragility is so tiresome, and that I’m grumpy about it. In so many hero story movies, there is that montage scene where the future apprentice has found a mentor, and is both a dork and impatient, and you see them sweating while their guide patiently waits for them to get it, sometimes even laughing at them. And there’s no other way. That’s how I feel – and STILL there I go making my damn self the hero again. Thanks for making this sandbox. Thanks for letting me be here.

  5. Emily Esterly Avatar
    Emily Esterly

    “Remaining stuck is wonderful. Black America cannot afford to stop mentoring us, so we never have to be existentially alone. And every time a moment comes when we might truly demonstrate our allyship, we can retreat to “I am a work in progress.””

    I’ve been thinking a lot this week about the Out Yourself hot take, and when I think about examples of my own silence, or more accurately a long held strategy of avoiding anything that might seem to controversial/political in publicly documented fora to protect myself from professional risk, I realize it’s an example of taking advantage of the stuck space Radha describes above. I can think of many real opportunities to demonstrate allyship that I retreated on. ‘Every time a moment comes’ I have to speak up, in whatever room or space it can actually be helpful, not in some down low after the fact way that only benefits myself.

  6. Rhonda Eldridge Avatar

    “And if I wish people to behave in those unwaveringly trustworthy ways, then it stands to reason that I must be part of their education.” I get a distinct clench from this line. Knowing that black and brown people are (literally) sick and tired of pointing out to me the reality of the history and current state of what living in this country is for them and also holding that in my whiteness, I often can not see and must be educated. Maybe the best I can do sometimes is to keep walking, listen always, accept my impact, and learn as fast as I can to minimize the energy black and brown people have to put in to teaching me. Oh, yeah, and I need to pass on my learning so they don’t have to educate as many people. That could help.

  7. Danielle Holcombe Avatar
    Danielle Holcombe

    We’ve had some pretty active conversation around this on the Lace on Race Facebook page as well. I wonder if you’re open to talking further about your crisis of faith, and about how you credit yoga for contributing to your ability to do anti racism work. But I already know this topic is activating and so I wanted to ask you first whether you are interested in, and have the capacity, agency and volition for, that type of conversation?

  8. Shannon Avatar
    Shannon

    As a white, American, yoga professional this was engaging and personally relevant (really everything here is, but this felt particularly so). I was interested in Radha’s exploration of race in America from her outside-of-it and inside-of-it-lenses. The cultural appropriation issue in yoga is one that I have been learning about and wrestling with for a while now. I don’t have answers, but am looking for them and have been educating myself on how to sincerely engage with this issue. The thing I struggle with the most is that teaching yoga to wealthy white women has empowered their spiritual bypassing of our world and culture’s very real issues. I have taught white women to feel better, when feeling bad might have created more action for positive change. I have given them tools to feel better about and justified in doing nothing. I have been tormented by this this year as I saw their beliefs and attitudes (particularly racism and classism) reflected outward in real time and I began to have a crisis of faith about doing this work. At the same time I know I am here in this space… open to learning, evolving, growing up… because of yoga. The work it did on my nervous system allows me the internal space to take on the painful process of waking up to why own internalized racism.

  9. Dee (Dalina) Weinfurtner Avatar
    Dee (Dalina) Weinfurtner

    So important that white people finally trust Black people in their experiences of racism. It is really a logical thing, however toxic whiteness breeds in us some sort of automatic shame in just not knowing something. It is pretty ridiculous, really…. we cannot know everything and even if we did, of course, we could still learn to be better, especially about something we physically cannot experience. I can relate to the shame of not knowing something but now I can accept that there is so much power in being vulnerable towards learning in things we don’t understand. I think sometimes we don’t want to accept that we were harmful to someone when we didn’t mean to be but by being defensive we just further perpetuate the harm. When you say “it both is and isn’t about me” are you saying, like, it’s about our actions but also it can’t be something we understand?

  10. Dee (Dalina) Weinfurtner Avatar
    Dee (Dalina) Weinfurtner

    “Taking the time for this internal work is helping me move from a reactive stance…”, that is emodiment and I am learning the crucial role it plays in sustaining this work we have to do to unlearn white supremacy and mitigate the harm we cause. White supremacy wants us to be stuck, to not question and to take the comfortable way out. I love how you pointed out that if we can understand ourselves in whiteness we can more effectively lead others to the changes that are needed to really break this toxicity down. It is unfortunate that toxic whiteness is so internalized in us that people cannot handle even a minor correction that would lead to lessening the harm towards Black, Brown, and Indigenous people right away. I know it took me until 2020 to really see it in myself and be able to be accountable. My hope is in doing the work on myself and I will be able to spread it to other white people.

  11. Dee (Dalina) Weinfurtner Avatar
    Dee (Dalina) Weinfurtner

    Thank you for these thoughts, wow! Thank you for sharing your experience as an Indian Immigrant in the context of race and your vulnerability in expressing your “white fragility”.  Whiteness getting reshaped is absolutely the goal and I loved how you worded that. Stuck, we (white people) get so stuck. I have been thinking about this in terms of my labor with my second child. His big ol head was stuck right on a certain place on my perineum and I was attempting a medicine-free birth. In order to relieve the pain of that pressure, I stayed in one particular position during labor. Well at some point I realized that it was counterproductive to keep avoiding the pain/discomfort of that spot and stay in that position. So I ended up deciding to sitting up and pushing through that pain and worked to get my baby out. It is like that with growth and the pain – and work- associated with growth. We feel the pain first and see the overwhelming work in the distance so we avoid it and end up stuck but there is no growth without doing the work and first consciously deciding to move past the initial pain/discomfort and fear. And the goal of the growth HAS to be to reshape ourselves to be a person a Black person can count on!

  12. Julie Helwege Avatar
    Julie Helwege

    I also connect “work in progress” to white supremacy ingrained ideology in doing the least possible.

  13. Shannon Muriel Avatar
    Shannon Muriel

    I found your comment very insightful Emily – particularly the way you related a certain type of being stuck to the precontemplation stage. I too see that stage as very tempting to return to sometimes, because it presents an opportunity to abrogate responsibility. I see, however, how harmful that would be both to the people I say I am here to learn to serve, and to this community.

  14. Emily M Holzknecht Avatar
    Emily M Holzknecht

    Being stuck is wonderful because it is not disorienting. It is not a liminal space. Being stuck is the precontemplation stage of the stages of change model. Even when we are wanting to do this work, wanting to give up our addiction to white supremacy, we let ourselves return to the precontemplation stage over and over again. Being more practical in my own self education means finding ways to get out of the precontemplation stage and then to get out of the contemplation stage and to continuing going around the cycle, spending less time in the precontemplation stage. I know connection is an important part to overcoming addiction, but there is so much already available where Black people have already shared their experiences, shared how they are being harmed, shared what to do and I must utilize as much of what already exists in order to get out of precontemplation without having to cause more harm to do so by expecting to be endlessly parented.

    Thank you Radha.

  15. Emily M Holzknecht Avatar
    Emily M Holzknecht

    ¨risk your privilege¨… I don´t think I´ve heard it that way before.

  16. Emily M Holzknecht Avatar
    Emily M Holzknecht

    What are you understanding from the message now that you have read it a second time?

  17. Emily M Holzknecht Avatar
    Emily M Holzknecht

    I am coming to comment here after the November 2020 series of appropriation posts which Radha also worked hard with us on. I am thinking about earthquakes. The tectonic plates need to move, but they rub up against each other and get stuck and the pressure of stuckness builds and builds and when they finally move, there is an earthquake because a larger leap is made than if they were able to move smoothly against each other without getting stuck. The earthquake creates waves. It can be scary. It can be hard. And then after some aftershocks, the plates get stuck again. I feel like there was a community earthquake with the November 2020 appropriation series and there was some damage from it too. And many people got to a new place. But now we are probably at a stuck point again. We need to get ourselves around these stuck points without waiting and waiting for an earthquake to jump us forward and without the damage the earthquake causes.

  18. Emily M Holzknecht Avatar
    Emily M Holzknecht

    I am thinking about how pivoting to something can be pivoting away from something else, but also about how there are relevant interweavings as well where ableism has been and still is used to justify racism. We must not pivot in a way that moves us away from race and sometimes disability and racism are all woven together and must be discussed together.

    I don’t have a child or husband with a disability. My younger child is trans, so I have that strong connection to someone from a different group and I know that pull to pivot away from race to gender. Most of the time giving into it would be detracting from anti-racism whereas pivoting to race in a gender discussion is always relevant and gender policing and race are also in some ways all mixed up historically and now too.

  19. Rebecca McClinton Avatar
    Rebecca McClinton

    So true that every time I turn away (or wait for my learnings to come to me rather than seeking them out) that’s me saying “it doesn’t matter to me”. Calling it what it is like that, however ugly it sounds, is the truthful accountability I need to make sure I act every time.

  20. Danielle Joy Holcombe Avatar
    Danielle Joy Holcombe

    I’ve noticed this about myself as well. It’s to my great shame that the biggest eye opening change in my life when it comes to race was absolutely predicated on a personal relationship. I don’t get stuck there – in shame – but when I think about that, I feel sorrow and like you, a renewed commitment to vigilance, awareness, and even initiative-taking. It is my responsibility to increasingly expand my view of institutions and structures (and habits and standards and so on) from the lens of others who won’t experience those rules or benefits (or even obstacles) the same way I will.

    At the same time, I have a friend who both rejects the things I talk to her about re white supremacy and racism AND holds up my relationship with my SO as the reason why I do “get it.” But as I’m typing this it’s pretty clear that she isn’t saying, “I can’t grasp what you are telling me because I don’t have a personal relationship to help open my eyes.” She is actually saying “It matters to you because there is someone you love telling you these things. It doesn’t matter to me.” And every time I don’t believe what my Black and brown friends are telling me, and every time I “don’t see” the microaggressions or even overt racism they are subject to, and every time I let slide an opportunity to confront that white violence head on, I too am saying “It doesn’t matter to me.”

  21. Rebecca McClinton Avatar
    Rebecca McClinton

    In returning to this article, I’m struck this time by Radha’s sharing how all too often “until something is personal, we don’t show up, take action”. All of the big pivots I’ve made in life have come through personal encounter, like I don’t believe it until I personally bump into it. I see through Radha’s beautiful words here, how my waiting around for things to come to me on a conveyor belt rather than actively seeking them out does great harm and burdens BIPOC with, as Radha says, “parenting” me. I will be vigilant of this old narrative and not wait to believe, not wait to seek out and act.

  22. Rebecca McClinton Avatar
    Rebecca McClinton

    I too value the ‘comfort’ of wallowing in “I’m a work in progress”. I like how you linked personal discomfort to others safety. If I’m uncomfortable I’m being safer and that’s helpful thinking about why it’s important I continue to encourage and lean into my own discomfort rather than ignore or run from it.

  23. Rebecca McClinton Avatar
    Rebecca McClinton

    I appreciate your comment and example of how you’re holding these things. I fashioned a reply last night but caught myself being too triggered from events of my day. I decided to step away, and get some rest, so I could return today in a better space. I think that’s an example of what you’re talking about here. I have to value myself and others equally. If I’m not taking care of myself my offending from a victim position is inevitable, and in looking at what I wrote last night that was exactly where I was headed. I’d like to be able to hold them both in the same moment, so there’s not a break in engagement, but don’t think I’m there yet.

  24. Christina Sonas Avatar
    Christina Sonas

    It sounds like you’re describing an invisible or even an erased intersectionality, which is what my young adult daughter experiences daily as a person with a transparent disability. When a person is oppressed by others, letting go of the victim position when they are instead in the power position can be a challenge. White women like me do it all the time, with what is often a singular oppression and no intersectionality at all. Being able to acknowledge and adapt when one’s location changes is critical to justice work, I think. Thank you for sharing your experiences!

  25. Christina Sonas Avatar
    Christina Sonas

    Your comment has me thinking about how I receive constructive criticism generally, and whether my response is tied to my whiteness. [an aside of self-talk: of course it’s tied to my whiteness. what isn’t? that’s how whiteness works…] I definitely see a hierarchy of response, based on the relationship I have with the critic; and my relationships are structured around the social hierarchies I participate in. So in racial justice work, I have an explicit rule to accept, and not challenge, what is shared with me by BIPOC. In this way, I try to make myself safer to people of color.

  26. Christina Sonas Avatar
    Christina Sonas

    Yes – the authority of the written word especially (for me), followed by lectures by those with (questionable) authority. Context and counter-narratives are enemies of white supremacy.

  27. Christina Sonas Avatar
    Christina Sonas

    I have been thinking about “work in progress” as I re-read this essay and it’s comments. I was circling the idea of “work in progress” being the essential human condition. Your comment highlights for me how white supremacy has taken that condition and, as you say, made it more of an excuse to avoid accountability. Being a work in progress is nothing special! In fact, “work in progress” isn’t a noun at all, is it, but a very active verb. So I will aim not to be a work in progress, but instead to be working in progress.

  28. Katie Mabry-Rairigh Avatar
    Katie Mabry-Rairigh

    So true, Brock. I love what Lace says about working and walking with resilience and not taking the easy way out ❤️.

  29. Brock Avatar
    Brock

    I appreciate your insights about your sense of not having a race. It has me questioning how I see/have seen myself, and how that sense of my race has shaped this journey I am on. And I can certainly see and agree that if a person didn’t see themselves as part of any race, then white supremacy could be hard to acknowledge, let alone be actionable.

  30. Brock Avatar
    Brock

    Yes! Your words really resonated with me. This remind me how attempts to deny what I don’t want to deal with just bring more of it back to me.

  31. Brock Avatar
    Brock

    I had to read this a few times to simmer on it and understand it more fully. I will definitely need to revisit this post. One part in particular that spoke to me was “But racial supremacy has that toxic way of getting stuck—stuck on the anger of being called out; stuck on the growth and reshaping part; stuck on the delight of being centered in the work; stuck on how delicious it is to dwell in fragility.” It makes me see and reflect on the duality of this journey, and how frustrating that can be. I can be both the victim and the victimizer. And one of my challenges is to move beyond these points of being stuck, often in both places without realizing it. It is certainly easy for me to personally feel the ways I have been hurt, and to dwell in that hurt and thereby cause harm. But it is much harder to take responsibility and accountability for the ways in which I hurt others. Both require acknowledgment, healing, and accountability. I am accountable for my self-care and learning so I don’t dwell in hurt and lash out, AND I am equally responsible for ensuring that I avoid and mitigate harm to Black, Brown, and Indigenous people. Taking the time for this internal work is helping me move from a reactive stance, where I can and do easily fall into the victim and/or victimizer roles. I see this as a large part in developing my kind candor muscle. If I can better understand my own roles and patterns and how white supremacy is embedded in me and moves through me, then I may be able to see those at play in others and address them more effectively.

  32. Shay Roberts Avatar
    Shay Roberts

    I’ve also been thinking about the sacrifice required by Lace and other Black educators as they teach white folks how to basically be decent human beings and see them and other Black and brown folks as fully human. And also the frustration that Lace has expressed at never really getting past square one, constantly repeating and reviewing the same concepts as white people get stuck and retreat time and time again. I know that I’ve been guilty of falling back on the excuse, “I’m a work in progress. I’m doing the best I can.” I may be a work in a progress but it doesn’t really need to be said and I don’t get to stay there. There is always more work to be done, and I can always do better. There will never be a time when this is not true, no matter the progress made.

  33. Shay Roberts Avatar
    Shay Roberts

    Jessie, your comment here has me reflecting on our responsibility to hold our own hands and regulate our own emotions as we encounter the various feelings and emotions during our internal work in the name of our North Star. I have also grieved past and current interactions of mine where I have gotten it wrong or allowed myself to get stuck as you describe here. But that is on me to course correct. My work is to push through my emotional reaction, regulate myself, and not allow this to distract me from the inner work required to become trustworthy. To work with resolve toward becoming resilient and relentlessly reliable.

  34. Katie Mabry-Rairigh Avatar
    Katie Mabry-Rairigh

    This is a powerful piece; I found myself immediately in the paragraph about how wonderful it is to stay stuck, to take advantage of that plausible deniability to avoid accountability; it reminds me of Lace’s “Can’t vs. Won’t” post and how it exposes the choice I make to remain “stuck” but then act like it isn’t a choice; now I know that when I avoid or neglect doing the work, it’s because I’m choosing that path of least resistance, and now I know that it’s the path that brings me right back to the horde of white supremacists who are, like me, choosing to walk with their eyes wide shut, to the detriment of BIPOC.

  35. Emilee Cardin Avatar
    Emilee Cardin

    I’m thinking about my own liminal spaces after reading this, and it took me a while to figure out which of them were salient. Thankfully, other comments helped me along, as well as Radha’s vulnerable essay. (Thanks, Radha!) I think, as others have mentioned, mental health is such a big part of what I have to unpack. Holding that I can both be hurt and still hurt others. Holding that I can serve others and still value myself. Holding that degrading myself does not serve anyone, even if it’s done in the name of “uplifting” someone else; it’s simply a way of turning things back around to me. I must also hold my own identities that intersect with racial justice, as Radha said. My experiences around class do not excuse, negate, or minimize my experience with Whiteness or my harm to Black folks. *I* have to do that work, and no external factor can do that for me. And I certainly cannot evade the work by just “accepting” how “awful” I have thought that I am. Those thought processes do not only not serve those I say I care about, they only serve me. It’s such a self-focused lens, and it pushes other people to disagree and comfort me. I was worried for a while that if I kept my own personal healing journey that I would “overvalue” myself and somehow value myself too much to give up the unearned space that my Whiteness brings. I have to remind myself that learning to value myself *and still* support Black and brown folks is part of that journey to root out my internal White supremacy. It *must* be both. I must care for myself *and* for others, and doing one at the expense of the other is bad for both parties, in both cases. My self-perceived self-sacrifice does not equal good praxis. Instead, I am learning to serve both myself and those I claim to care about at the same time. That is the praxis, the ethos, that I want to carry and exude.

  36. Grace Avatar
    Grace

    Replying to myself to commit to keeping my comments shorter and more distilled starting now. Danielle said something on a Facebook group post that really resonated with me: “It can be harmful for others to experience me walking my way through it.” It is me centring myself and my feelings to quite literally take up more space than Radha, the author and a woman of colour, and than Lace with her introduction. I can figure out my thoughts at length elsewhere while engaging and commenting succinctly here for accountability and for the opportunity to learn from the community how I can better lessen and mitigate harm to Black and brown people caused by me and other white people. I apologize to Lace and Radha and the community, especially other BIPOC members, and commit to changing that behaviour. If anyone has suggestions for ways I can repair, please let me know.

  37. Grace Avatar
    Grace

    Thank you for being brave and vulnerable, Radha, and taking the risk of sharing your learning experience and perspective for the benefit of everyone’s learning. As a white reader of this piece, I recognize that it is yet another generous offering.
    I definitely relate to some of the ways of being stuck, particularly around being “a work in progress.” Racism won’t stop harming people until I feel ready to help dismantle it. That uncomfortable absolute will help motivate me in this work. That paragraph also highlighted how my work as a white person is not as simple as not being (my ignorant impression of being) racist, which would be bad – I need to stop engaging with white supremacy, which for me can feel like a comfortable, wonderful, delicious thing, though it only exists through oppressing and harming Black and brown people and other POC. I am uncomfortable to say it will likely be a struggle for me, but one I commit to working on.
    I was also struck by the part about how “Black America cannot afford to stop mentoring us, so we never have to be existentially alone.” I haven’t been valuing the Black and brown lives that depend on me/white people learning about and dismantling white supremacy, or directing myself to learn with that same urgency. When I learn from BIPOC who choose to educate white people, I need to financially engage around their work, as well as financially engaging with them and other BIPOC more broadly because it’s right.
    The “existentially alone” part made me think about about how privileged I am/unjust it is that I had not previously spent a lot of time thinking about my race. My existence in North America went largely unquestioned by me and other white people while Black USAns and Canadians are harmed by transatlantic slavery every day and Indigenous people are harmed by white European colonization every day. It’s yet another injustice that white people (me) can force BIPOC to interact with us and teach us for their own survival so that we don’t have to be existentially alone. We get to not feel alone by virtue of our relation to BIPOC in which we make ourselves superior, while always maintaining the option of retreating to feel alone within whiteness when we want to, when we become tired of learning. I want to contribute to BIPOC not feeling alone with the struggle against the injustices and harm perpetuated by white people without centring myself.
    I’m grateful to the Lace on Race community for the opportunity to make myself safer for Black and brown people by learning to recognize and change my racist and white supremacist thought patterns. I can choose to act in trustworthy ways, and I can, as Marlise phrased it above, “divest from whiteness” by taking actions carefully and thoughtfully *while* I’m learning.

  38. Kazmyn Avatar
    Kazmyn

    Thank you for sharing your perspective, Radha! It’s very interesting to here how you’ve personally navigated the areas of race as an immigrant.

  39. Christin Spoolstra Avatar
    Christin Spoolstra

    Megan, Thank you for sharing. Your ending reflections made me think a lot on a post Lace has written about the can’t vs the won’t – if you’re interested in exploring that one, it’s linked in the pinned posts in the facebook page. It’s a post I often find myself needing to return to in this work.

  40. Megan Avatar
    Megan

    Thank you, Radha. I can feel the pain and frustration in your words, and I thank you so much for sharing that. I think this reflection, and the subsequent comments, show me that I need to do a better job understanding and resisting white fragility. My understanding of it is fairly narrow, I’m realizing. The idea of a marginalized person having to parent me in order not to be abused by me is, as Radha says, appalling. Like many white women, I have struggled to find a balance between “teach me! I want to learn!” and understanding that I need to educate myself and not demand emotional labor from folks of color. Seeing it in this light, remembering that not only is asking for free emotional labor unacceptable, but that asking for it from the very people I have victimized is even more so, helps me understand how much I have to learn about my own fragility. I also relate to many of the commenters talking about dealing with mental health issues while pushing back at fragility. I have extreme anxiety and have been using the quarantine time to engage in deep therapy around my abusive childhood and marriage, which has been incredibly psychically difficult. . So sometimes I retreat to that and use it as an excuse not to engage with this work. I will work to be more aware of my own actual limitations and realize that oftentimes, I am not pushing or stretching myself not out of a genuine concern for my mental health, but out of fragility and fear. There’s lots for me to chew on here, and I’m grateful for the opportunity.

  41. Lee Carney Avatar
    Lee Carney

    Liminal space indeed. Yes, it feels uncomfortable, yes I’m doing the whining.
    I recently found yoga, and unfound it again when I got to an article about appropriation…. In my head I hear lace saying “Use the vanilla” (I have yoga credits to use) but I’m not sure where I’ll go from there and until I am sure I feel like I can no longer partake. I don’t like being in a state of confusion but I don’t have the answer to that one yet and besides there’s bigger issues than the yoga.
    .
    My aim is to be able to engage in dialogues that will actually make a difference. Those tough ones, with family, friends, colleagues and strangers. I’ve started that work already but with strangers I’m not there yet. Not that I’m a work in progress, just that I see well meaning white people cause all sorts of trouble in their meddling. I don’t want to be that person, not at least until I’ve learned how to engage properly.
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    Pivoting away from race though. This is timely, you read me like a book. I’ve made comparisons, likened to experiences so that I can understand and you’re right, it deprives the subject at hand. I’ll be holding this at the forefront going forwards.

    Radha thank you.

  42. Kerri Fowlie Avatar
    Kerri Fowlie

    Rahda, thank you for writing this. It stopped me in my tracks and I’ve spent a month now, wrestling with the points you have made, feeling angry and inferior. Firstly, I had to look up the word “liminal,” so I felt inferior in education to you, but worse, I rejected the definition and felt defeated by it. How is it possible that I’ll never “master” anti-racism?! I was angry to hear my thoughts echoing the Christian Left’s condemnation of Lace for keeping white women perpetually in the role of being wrong. It was a “lumpy crossing” indeed.

    So what of all my resentment at seeing myself in your mirror? Well, I finally found peace with it. It’s sat at the back of my mind through weeks of commenting on other LOR posts and continually finding in myself an arrogance and superiority based on… not a lot, really. I think a lot of my self-esteem has historically been based on my being “the smart one.” In this space, I am not. In my late-found awakening to the cause of racial justice, I am learning that it’s important that I realise that, not being Black, I can’t ever ‘get it’ completely. I can compare approximations from my own experiences, but my “mastery” of the subject is an egotistical misconception. It’s about me recognising and accepting that it both is and isn’t ABOUT me. Two things are true.

    So thank you, again. There is such tremendous value in your sharing this and I am grateful.

  43. Julia Gill Avatar
    Julia Gill

    I first understood “white fragility” to mean white people becoming defensive when learning their thoughts and actions are racist. Then more than one Black teacher wrote about feeling whites expect to be parented on their anti-racist journey. I became determined to parent myself and self-check my own defensiveness. At LoR I read read about whites not consistently doing the work and wondered whether speed and hours per day count as fragility. More on that later.

    Regarding the Christian Left, the second day of the LoR action I felt too visible. Visibility was a large part of early-life traumas which eventually lead to PTSD. A couple years ago I taught myself to think in terms of tolerate: Can I tolerate this? It is also a mantra. I can tolerate this. During the TCL action, I anchored myself in “tolerate.” It was important to Lace so it was essential for me to follow through.

    To discern the quality of my thoughts and actions, I notice where I feel something in my body. If the thought or emotion is circling my head it tends to be plain avoidance. If I can’t tell where I feel it, I visualize a 1-to-10 speedometer in front of me. I ask: Can I do this? If the needle goes above 2 or 3, well, maybe 4, yes, I can do it. Another body sensor is something like a thermometer resting internally between my pelvis and my throat. I ask, “Show me my level of anxiety” or “Show me my level of resistance” or “Show me how much energy I have.”

    Circling back to whites not consistently doing the work, if someone had a way to see my hours of activity at LoR they might say I lack commitment. It took me awhile to notice that working daily for a certain number of hours had tipped me into major depressive disorder. But I know myself. I know I will eventually read all materials because this subject is important to me. I gave myself permission to let go of proving my commitment. I know I am committed.

  44. Carrie Avatar
    Carrie

    Julia, you mention white fragility in your original reply and it has me thinking a lot about the discernment that is necessary to keep oneself out of a fragile space but also caring for ones own needs. Would you be willing to share a bit more about how you know for your own self when you are entering either space?

    Because I think that is the battle that I engage with within myself– am I not doing this particular action or avoiding it because I’m wound up in my own fragility (ie. the action itself makes me uncomfortable but I’m completely capable of doing it) or because I’m in a spiral where I haven’t been taking care of myself in general and I need to recenter. That is one of the things that I am really reflecting on a lot lately as I determine where and how I can be most useful and what it simultaneously means to stretch myself and then stretch some more and also be a crock pot 🙂

  45. Julia Gill Avatar
    Julia Gill

    In my journey I have learned that “doing nothing” is my body/mind/soul telling me “Enough!” If I listen to myself and consciously take it easy, rest, write, avoid my laptop, pull weeds, a day or two later my energy is humming along nicely accompanied by a sense of well-being. This pattern also revealed the fact that I have no difficulty “doing something” when I am sound in body and mind, there is no resistance to taking action. Sometimes I push through to see if the do-nothing is telling the truth. If it’s avoidance, taking action adds energy and improves my mood. At this point, avoidance occurs less than 10% of the time. Exactly as you say, “…doing my inner work and then working on being a crockpot instead of a wok.”

  46. Carrie Avatar
    Carrie

    Julia, yes this is so so important and it reminds me of the analogy from the interview that Lace did for BlackOutTuesday on Vox about our need to be a slow cooker and not a wok. I need to both learn to slow myself down and take stock of what I am capable of contributing while also not making excuses when I know that I can do better. It is certainly a balancing act but is so so necessary. I tend to fall into categories of extremes (ie. pushing myself to burnout or doing nothing) which isn’t helpful and is harmful. Being honest with myself also means really looking at why I’m engaging in a particular action– is it because I know/believe that it will have an impact and is the best use of my time or is it because I want to feel like I’ve done something or do something visibly so that others can see that I’m doing something? This is the biggest thing that I’m currently working on– doing my inner work and then working on being a crockpot instead of a wok.

  47. Helen Avatar
    Helen

    There’s so much in this piece that I keep circling back. Thank you Radha for sharing with so much honesty. As others here have said my fragility is also tiresome, I really connect with that. Why must I find a way to relate the struggles of others to something that I have experienced first hand in order to learn or be a better ally? I shouldn’t. Why must Black women educate me when they don’t even know if they can trust me not to cause harm. There is nothing more personally motivating to me than realising my ignorance causes harm even when my intent is good. I will stay the course in this fight to re-shape whiteness, and I will own my mistakes.

  48. Julia Gill Avatar
    Julia Gill

    Carrie, your words ‘I’m being reminded of a cycle I need to break of choosing what I am willing to do rather than listening to what I am asked to do and then finding a way to do it,” bring up a personal challenge that I haven’t written about before. For me, it is ‘finding a way to do it’ while managing mental well-being. I hesitated to mention this before because I am concerned that this is what is meant by white fragility or that my best isn’t enough to meet the requirements of attention and engagement at LoR. I used to see others’ needs as having more value than my own. In fact, until last year I didn’t fully understand exactly what is required to maintain my sense of well-being. I’ve wrestled with this for years. It’s obvious that I must listen to myself and act on that wisdom first. All else will follow.

  49. Carrie Avatar
    Carrie

    As a person who gets hung up on productivity, achievement and success I often shy away from tasks or activities that are hard for me or that I may not complete well by simply not doing them. The line in this writing about retreating as a work in progress was a good wake-up call for me as I think about what I choose to do and not to do when it comes to anti-racism work. I’m pulled back to the article about BlackOutTuesday and Lace’s words about our need to stretch ourselves and give more than we think we can give and then give some more. Patterns of reflection are coming up for me as I’m being reminded of a cycle that I need to break of choosing what it is I am willing to do rather than listening to what I am asked to do and then finding a way to do it. For me, that is what it means to resist retreating as a work of progress. Showing up in whatever way I am able (and being honest with myself about what that looks like, as it’s easy to rationalize why I don’t have the capacity to do or give something that I really do.)

  50. Janci Patterson Avatar
    Janci Patterson

    I identify with this. I think, for me, one clench point is the desire to make sure I am understood. To argue that no, I didn’t mean it like that when I said I was a work in progress. I meant it in the *good* way, not the *bad* way. But really, why do I need to argue this? The effect of my words can be harmful even if the intention is pure. And maybe, really, my words function in both the good and bad ways at once, and I’m accountable for all of it.

  51. Michelle Salazar Avatar
    Michelle Salazar

    As Radha speaks of reshaping whiteness, I wonder how this could actually become a reality. As a teacher, I see one possible place to begin with this “reshaping of whiteness” is in the history we teach our children. If we didn’t allow a white-washed version of history to be learned and absorbed by our children, we’d have a society that learned an honest depiction of our past and had a fuller understanding of the dynamics of who we are as a nation and as people…especially with regards to race.

    Social Studies curriculum and textbooks for my state teach students a one dimensional, misguided (sometimes false) version of our history and that I can see contributing to a sense of entitlement and superiority for white students. And it erases so much vital content for non-white students. It’s a problem that, I feel, is actually possible to course-correct by revamping all states’ curriculum to be a more accurate and honest depiction of our past. No more telling this fake version that we teach in schools. Representation also matters in history books…and not just in a 1-page side bar here and there.

    I know this article was about cultural appropriation and yoga…but I got hung up on thinking about how to “reshape whiteness.” Maybe if we did a better job of teaching history, young people would grow up knowing already why appropriating and profiting off other cultures and/or religions is something they shouldn’t do and they wouldn’t feel entitled to do. We actually could educate our students about racial boundaries and help them to actively engage and empathize with others…not just one lesson or for one month a year. Always.

  52. Tanya Avatar
    Tanya

    Thank you so much for sharing, this piece really resonates with me for a number of reasons.

    I have noticed, as I go through and read, that I find a lot of validation in this space (which, I recognize, is not why this space exists). I finally feel like I have people who *get* it. Who get the hurt that is caused by aggression (or carelessness) from white folks that mean to do good. I want to be clear on something: I am a white person. According to every bubble chart I fill out on a standardized test, according to any cop who’s pulled me over (which has only happened once in 15 years…because of the aforementioned whiteness), according to every job interview I’ve gone to, every professor I have learned from. But I don’t *feel* like a white person in this country, because I’m not Christian, and as a child of the southeastern united states, Jewish != White. The only other time in my life I’ve really felt *seen* was on a birthright trip to Israel, where I told people about the discrimination I had faced, and for the first (and last time) was met with “that’s terrible and I’m sorry you had to deal with that” instead of “but you’re not *really* Jewish” or telling me that it hadn’t really happened at all.

    This is the source of my clench in this space, I think. The grateful and the grumpy. No one looks at me and thinks “there’s a person who’s been discriminated against since they were born” because in the ways we address in this space, I haven’t been. But in my life and my experience, I have. And there’s a lot of trauma. And now I’m being asked (by myself) to enter into this space and start doing all this work to stop doing harm to BIPOC, and having to look fully in the face at all the people in my life that have harmed and are harming me. I don’t want to admit that I am that harmful person to people of color, because I myself am harmed by whiteness! But I know it must be true.

    I know it’s easier for me to believe BIPOC, because I have my own lived experiences already that say they’re truthful. I don’t need to hear about their trauma, I know whiteness in this country is terrible and pervasive and soul crushing. I also just recently was reminded how awful it is to have to convince someone to treat humans like humans by sharing your personal trauma. Something that keeps rearing it’s head in my life, and causing new pain and heartbreak every day. And so now, I have to do this work to dismantle within myself what I can see as harmful when it is done to me, with the hopes of not harming BIPOC along the way. I have to listen to and respect Lace, tearing apart my own entitlements and breaking down my biases and fears, while also fully realizing that I am not Lace, because I don’t have the strength to stand up to my friends who hurt me.

    It’s easy to take the content that gets shared here, and pivot it to my own experience. And while that may feel good to me in the moment, to feel heard and seen, it’s not the point. It doesn’t work towards the goal of reducing harm to brown and black people, it is me crawling into the safe spaces they’ve curated and taking over. It is me perpetuating harm. It is me centering the conversation on myself. I will work to stop the pivot. This space isn’t about my feelings of comfort, it is about how I am the oppressor, even when I don’t mean to be, and how I can stop doing harm while trying so hard to be one of the “good ones”. I don’t know how to divorce my identity from being the victim, which gets reinforced in so many ways. But I am not the victim here, and I’m grateful for the opportunity to break free of this habit and start trying to be a trustworthy person to black and brown people, and grumpy that me doing all this work doesn’t mean anyone else is, and I will still have to constantly educate my friends who hurt me, to keep myself safe.

  53. Barb Chamberlain Avatar

    I’ve reread this piece more than once and have been thinking about it and the discussion in the comments. I’ve practiced yoga for years–long before I had ever heard the term “cultural appropriation”. It’s here partly as an analogy, but as Bethany noted in her comment, those of us who practice yoga have a responsibility to those traditions as well.

    I realized first that I wanted to say I’m not like those practitioners Radha describes, but why do I feel I need to tell you that? What am I defending or justifying? Any sincerity I bring to my yoga practice doesn’t change the way it has been commodified and made into something people treat as an option they can go to if Zumba class is full at the time they want to work out. (Describing a world without COVID19 where people are going places, like in the old days.)

    During my most recent class I thought about this piece and the comments, both those about yoga and the ones reflecting on performative allyship. I found myself making more connections between the practice of yoga asanas and the learning in the Lace on Race community.

    For example, I can be in a posture and if you, the observer, don’t know much about yoga, you look at me and it might seem fine; I’m “doing yoga” as far as you can tell. Similarly, if I’m doing performative anti-racism and you don’t understand the way I’m maintaining my privilege, I can look anti-racist to you. I may actually know inside that I could reach a little further, but that would be uncomfortable and I’m not used to it so I’ll stay right here where I look and feel just fine. For all you know from the outside I’m a veritable yogini of anti-racism, but in my heart I know I’m not even trying that headstand.

    And boy, do I keep wanting to tell you how the class I’m in and my teacher “aren’t like that”. The instructor (who’s my best friend) and I have talked about cultural appropriation but talking about it and recognizing it’s happening really isn’t the same as not doing it! Writing this whole thing feels like it is its own form of appropriation using yoga as a metaphor or analogy.

    Thinking about this led me down all kinds of pathways about how much of America is one big pile of colonizer appropriation capitalism no matter which way I turn. From the spices I love in my cabinet that are here because of terrible exploitation to the coffee in my cup ditto, sitting in my house that’s on the lands of the Duwamish people who were here first, I become overwhelmed wondering if there’s really any way to unsnarl the tangle.

    Thank you for creating a space in which to reflect and do some grateful/grumpy detangling, perhaps. I know there are other tangles I’m not yet seeing so my commitment is to keep walking and seeking, and doing what I can in a capitalist system to return resources to those from whom they were taken.

  54. Christina Sonas Avatar
    Christina Sonas

    “[R]acial justice in this country isn’t possible without whiteness being reshaped.” I see that all my life I have lived, like almost all white people, with the sense that I have no race at all. Black and brown people, all the non-Europeans, those are the various races; it follows naturally that racism is therefore something that has nothing to do with me, but only with those people who have a race. Even when I started to see that white was a race, it was still only a superficial understanding: I understood I had a race, but not that I had white supremacy. “The hardest part for me, as an immigrant, is not conflating white and black America.” This caught my attention, the idea that people from/of other countries would not see white USAns and Black USAns as very different, but of the same religion, the same language, the same fast food and NFL culture. The same history, shared and not shared.

    So I can see racism itself as a liminal space, a borderlands, between BIPOC USAns and about white USAns. White supremacy has policed its boundary for centuries, but I can and do choose to go there. I can be safe-ish in that space, if I remember that the work is _for_ BIPOC and takes place _within_ myself and other white people.

  55. Katie Claire Avatar
    Katie Claire

    I very much appreciate this piece of beautiful writing by Radha. I’ve been pondering the same sentiments as Radha when she wrote “I have been pondering what it means to shape myself into a person that black people can count on. But how do I do that without them always having to relive painful memories…?“ This rings true for me, and I have been working on myself to believe Black people when they tell me something is painful or harmful, without having to understand the how or why. Honestly, if they take the time to let me know that an action I have taken or words I have spoken (or lack thereof in some cases, such as not speaking up in the presence of white supremacy or not co-signing that letter that was written after the Jim/Kate situation) are causing harm, I need to view this feedback as a gift. Black and brown folks are certainly taking a risk when they provide this kind of feedback. The risk to them is that I might clench, lash out & cause even more harm. It is up to me to make sure I honor that gift by being receptive to their message.

  56. Shay Roberts Avatar
    Shay Roberts

    So I have returned to reflect deeper on the harmfulness of needing a personal connection to show up or take action. The harm comes in the idea that I need that personal connection in order to see their humanity. This idea is false. Their humanity is there whether I know them or not, whether I have any evidence of their “worthiness/goodness” or not. This makes me think of the justifications used in police brutality and murder of Black people and the public’s response and examination of each victim – weighing whether they “deserved” to live or be murdered in the street. Everyone deserves to live. No one deserves to be murdered in the streets. Period. There are no conditions, lists of evidence, or character analysis that will erase a person’s humanity. My insistence on a personal connection before caring or taking action is a white supremacist clench to not see the humanity in all Black and brown people. Conversely, the humanity of white people is automatically assumed and prioritized.

  57. Emily Malnor Avatar
    Emily Malnor

    “I am a work in progress” resonated with me as seems to have with many others. It is a reminder that I need to take responsibility for harm I cause and the fact that “I am human” does not erase that harm. It is my responsibility and duty to work on myself to lessen the harm to black and brown people perpetuated by white people. I will not ask BIPOC to give me a pass when I mess up. I also use this thought of being a work in progress to avoid action. I want to become an expert on racial justice and a perfect “ally” before I take any action or get involved. Read all of the pinned posts here before interacting with the community. Learn what the perfect response should be before giving one. But I think that is a clench point for me. An excuse not to put myself out there or be vulnerable to criticism. Lace has pointed out that we need to do both – become more educated while we are taking action. This is something I’m working on. Radha I really appreciated your introspective POV here.

  58. Joan Becker Avatar
    Joan Becker

    Thank you Radha for sharing this piece.

    Like many of the commenters below, I found a lot of the experiences that Radha describes to be somewhat familiar–especially the impulse to pivot, and the feeling of being grateful and grumpy at the same time.

    One part of the piece was challenging for me to internalize: the idea that we can use “I am a work in progress” as an excuse, as a retreat from true allyship. I can imagine many times when “being a work in progress” is used to avoid specific, challenging instances of allyship –for instance, failing to speak up after a racist comment by a co-worker because “I don’t know the right thing to say yet”.

    However, the awareness of “being a work in progress” also seems like something good and useful to me. Reflecting on Radha’s words as I write this, I realize it can probably be a true and useful statement, while also potentially standing as an excuse. I suppose my main confusion when thinking about this phrase is how to prevent myself from using it as an excuse when the awareness of being “a work in progress” arises. I feel it right now, because I don’t know quite how to respond to this post, and I worry that I am using that lack of certainty to avoid the real work that I need to do.

    This is a clench point for me, I think. I am struggling to understand all of Radha’s message, but I am committed to returning to this piece to reflect more deeply, and to keeping Radha’s words in mind as I keep walking with this community. I definitely feel “grateful and grumpy” in this reading experience.

  59. J Crane Avatar
    J Crane

    Before this post, I was only aware of liminal used in Turner’s sense with a defined start and end point. It’s interesting to think of it as a state that one passes through when confronted with new information. I appreciate having the framework to think of my fellow walkers as fellow travelers on a pilgrimage and to accept all the contradictions, uncertainties, and transformative growth of a liminal space. Thank you, Radha.

  60. Joni Zander Avatar
    Joni Zander

    Thank you for this honest outpouring of your thoughts and sharing your heart, Radha.

    This part especially resonated with me, “Stuck in the space between a) needing and expecting constant education, and b) showing trustworthiness. Remaining stuck is wonderful. Black America cannot afford to stop mentoring us, so we never have to be existentially alone. And every time a moment comes when we might truly demonstrate our allyship, we can retreat to “I am a work in progress.””

    I am embarrassingly new to this space and I’m wanting and willing to break free from the comfort of staying stuck. Learning to find my voice in support without leading. I can’t think of a space where I didn’t take a leadership roll and I understand that that cannot be a leader in this space.

    Thank you for calling out the excuse of being a work in progress. I needed to hear that.

  61. Sara Schwanke Avatar
    Sara Schwanke

    Hey Zoe,

    Yes, I am a white woman. Absolutely, I can identify with that. I’m working my way through the guidelines and reviewing my previous posts to see how I frame conversations and this one is a clearly a behavior of white supremacy I hold and need to change. After reviewing I can see that I separated myself from “white people to parent and constantly educate” when in fact, that is exactly what I am doing here at Lace on Race. I do readings, engage, and have contributed financially but not nearly enough as I should. The community here is parenting and educating me and I separated myself from “those white people” in the initial post when I now acknowledge I am those white people. I am no different. I have racial views and biases that I need to unlearn and to ensure I’m not teaching to my students. I can see in this post ways I am harmful to the black and brown community and I acknowledge it’s up to me to change my harmful patterns.

    In other areas as far as black or brown people parenting me and educating me I do have real life examples. I live in North Dakota and my mom teachers on a Native American Reservation. There are racial biases and slurs in that community that I have expected them to educate me as far as culturally, economically, and historically. All of this was coupled with the racial biases and superior attitude I held and still hold in a lot of ways.

    What I’ve learned is I need to take a step back and acknowledge that I am those white people I thought I wasn’t. I have so much I need to unlearn. I am mitigating harm against the black and brown community and will continue to do so unless I make a choice to put in work in my online and offline life as well as financial retributions. Something Lace mentioned in one of her posts were that it’s okay to make mistakes but I need to make mistakes in different ways and break patterns of thinking.

  62. Julie Helwege Avatar
    Julie Helwege

    My apologies, Radha, in typing your name incorrectly. -Julie

  63. Julie Helwege Avatar
    Julie Helwege

    Thank you Rhada, for your honest candor and defining, so clearly, liminal spaces.

    “I want to think more deeply about how to be practical in my self education, knowing that some aspect of it has to be personal or I won’t learn, but also reflecting on how that can detract from, and delay, justice for people I claim to care about.” I want to be authentic and trustworthy. I’m appalled at the amount of parenting I’ve needed. I realize now, more than ever, the pain I can both intentionally and unintentionally cause in my journey to grow and the white supremacy I benefit from and experience. I no longer want to be stuck. I will no longer make “I am a work in progress” excuses. My goal is to consistently behave in a way that makes me trustworthy, while mitigating the harm I cause to black and brown people when I don’t do the self-education work or financially engage in other’s work. I will work and hope soon to be a place of comfort on days when other’s feet are sore.

  64. Marlise Avatar
    Marlise

    Bethany, I appreciate your walking through your thinking, but above all, your ending resolve. Change is uncomfortable, but without it we are simply confessing for visibility.

  65. Alexander Lucas Avatar
    Alexander Lucas

    This is wonderful and so nuanced.

    This excerpt spoke to me in particular:
    Remaining stuck is wonderful. Black America cannot afford to stop mentoring us, so we never have to be existentially alone. And every time a moment comes when we might truly demonstrate our allyship, we can retreat to “I am a work in progress.”

    It is so easy to be an ally when it is convenient and can show off our liberalness. But it is much harder to be in uncomfortable conversations and to take criticism. I have long found it hard to deal with being called out on comments that were “with my best intentions”. As I have been reminded over and over again, intentions at the end of the day don’t matter if the words and thoughts are harmful, hurtful, or tone deaf. Being a “work in progress” feels like the same crutch, one that I would gravitate to as a lifeline to use as a shield against any offense taken.

    Seeing this spelled out so plainly is enormously helpful to recognizing it in myself.

  66. Christin Spoolstra Avatar
    Christin Spoolstra

    I’ve also been working on breaking down those walls by submersing myself in black voices, trying to listen, to understand. Where I really see that trust and knowledge clench and deep history in myself is in the educational system: I took curriculums as god and professors as my idols. Maybe as part of how I was raised, I couldn’t really question back on authority and what was presented to me in educational settings was the ‘authority.’ That’s a new instinct I’m working to instill in myself: to question who wrote something and what their contextual motivation was. I’m learning to doubt the normalized curriculum and at the same time trust in the “counter narratives” that are a truth that I was conditioned not to believe.

  67. Bethany Peabody Avatar
    Bethany Peabody

    Well, Radha, this is an incredibly thoughtful piece. The part that really hit home for me was the yoga part. I’ve been teaching for over ten years, and I’ve just begun to look at some of the language I use in class, you know, those yoga platitudes, and see them for the comfort-laden, White-centric, racism perpetuating bs that they are. And it’s jarring.
    A colleague of mine, who is a social worker, began questioning these sayings, and now I can’t stop. For example: the concept of “manifesting our best life”. I can’t imagine how painful it feels for BIPOC student (about 1% of the clientele) to hear this backhanded way of shoring up the status quo repeated ad nauseam in yoga spaces. And the fact that yoga spaces are often majority white women creates a nice little echo chamber where we congratulate each other for “manifesting that raise” or “manifesting that new apartment” when whiteness is a power chip in those transactions. Looking into this even more, I was listening to a Black educator speak on yoga spaces, and she had mentioned the phrase: “We are all one.” It’s a nice phrase for white women to grab on to, but it must feel really hollow to BIPOC. Yes, we can imagine that “we are all one”, but that fanciful notion isn’t lived reality for BIPOC. The phrase “Good Vibes Only” also comes to mind. Ugh. There are so many of them, and they are harmful because they cater to the well-monied, Lululemon clad white crowd who very much want to co-opt yoga as part of their identity. I am not wealthy, but I have signed on to a studio that caters to that crowd specifically. And I have benefitted with what would be considered “good pay” in this field. The “good vibes” I get from catering to white needs pushes aside deeper scrutiny of the white safe space we have created. Am I really serving the practice or my ego? And how does this relate to your gorgeous inquiry? Because, as you mentioned, yoga is this great tool for “the succor of yoga, the healing it can provide, to people fighting for survival, who benefit greatly from the movement of breath, the support of the earth”. I’ve realized since COVID shut down the studio that I want to stop being part of the system that exploits yoga for the benefit of white women mostly. And how can I create something that feels safe and supportive for all? How can I hold the space of yoga as a tool for great healing and change and yoga as part of how I buy food and pay rent? I feel that now it is time for me to give up my identity as a teacher and learn from Black yoga teachers and Black healers instead. See where I can humble myself and truly learn to serve. I’m scared for my financial stability, but yoga has taught me to not fear change.

  68. Christina Sonas Avatar
    Christina Sonas

    Thanks for asking me to keep exploring this. I hope you’ll share how this clench seems to work inside you; I’ve never really spoken about this before and would love to hear another perspective.

    I think there are a lot of areas where I do trust first and let knowledge arrive. I trust people easily (not unknown internet sources, but actual people…), and always start from a trust position with a new person. I do that even in my travels. I have a great deal of respect and trust in non-intellectual knowledge: spiritual, creative, physical, generational, intuitive. So there are definitely a lot of open trust channels inside me. I have to consider all that openness when I question myself: Why not POC, black people especially?

    I definitely sense that semiconscious layer of avoiding my Whiteness: “If I believe them, that means a lot of serious consequences for me.” This, I’m now confronting, all those pain/choice points I have. I think my White supremacy conditioning has me neither identifying them as inside “my community”, nor do I feel inside *their community. This, I want to break that down on my side of things, and also respect any boundary that actually exists (not only in my psyche) on their side of things.

    For the latter, I’ve been working over the last year-plus to recondition myself : to very intentionally trust black people and POC and relocate them, inside myself, as my community. Lest anyone think I’m a serial kidnapper I’ve been doing this through the works of black creatives: listening, and trusting/believing wholeheartedly. Just me, my empathy, and my understanding, without questions or doubt. Public creative work has few boundaries around it, and it’s been offered, so I don’t feel like I’m appropriating or consuming. Whether it’s my intention, or the creations, or a combination of the two, I have felt significant shifting in myself. So much so, that I finally felt ready to enter a community like Lace on Race without risking untold harm to BIPOC from my inability to trust what they had to tell me, about themselves or about myself.

  69. Christin Spoolstra Avatar
    Christin Spoolstra

    Hi Christina – I love your reflections on trust and academia!! Do you think there are other areas that you trust while taking that knowledge for granted? I wonder if we can dig deeper to why we (I say ‘we’ because I also see this in myself) have a clench around believing and trusting people of color.

  70. Christina Sonas Avatar
    Christina Sonas

    How this piece sings to me! The repetitions of paradox: grumpy and grateful; thanking and whining; personal/inward and political/outward; need to learn and can’t ask to be taught. All wrapped up in the evocative title, the “liminal space” which is two different places at once. For so long I saw only the dualism inherent to paradox, but in recent years I have grown able to see the inherent unity as well. Now, when I am tangled in the contradiction, I simultaneously have peace that the struggle is the gift, as Lace said in her intro.

    I’ve encountered and begun exploring a number of paradoxical tangles, some for the first time and others in the new light of racism, since joining LoR two weeks ago. Radha said something in the piece that brought one in particular to the top of the pile: “But how do I [become trustworthy to black people] without them always having to relive painful memories, and recount just enough horrifying data so that I will believe them?” I have been thinking about the paradox of knowledge and faith/trust. As an intellectual, I generally start with knowledge and let the faith/trust grow out of that. What if I started with faith/trust, and let my knowledge grow instead? If I didn’t demand that LoR and black people everywhere prove it to me before I accept it? My intellectual predilection for knowledge looks an awful lot like White supremacy to me… What if I became trustworthy to black people, by trusting them?

    Thank you, Radha, for the reminder to hold the truth of both/and, as I walk in service to reduce my and others’ White harm.

  71. Jessie Lee Avatar
    Jessie Lee

    Thank you, Radha.

    This is a post I will be coming back to again and again and again as often as I need to internalize why I’m here and to why it’s critical that I build this habit of coming back… I will never be able to read your words and not locate myself in them as the white person in need of parenting from those I’ve oppressed so that I won’t erase your identity. Of course that’s appalling.

    I have a pattern of getting stuck in being appalled at myself and dwelling in that delicious fragility instead of doing the work of reshaping whiteness. Remaining stuck IS wonderful. Remaining stuck dwelling in that fragility functions like an anesthesia; it numbs my self-righteous outrage and puts me to sleep before I feel the pain of confronting my own ugliness and working intentionally to unravel it.

    Now I am unraveling it and stuck in the space between needing and expecting constant education and showing trustworthiness. I am prone to retreating to “I am a work in progress,” which is probably the opposite of trustworthy.

    These words are hitting me hard: “Black America cannot afford to stop mentoring us, so we never have to be existentially alone.” They should hit me hard. I am reading them after I made the mistake of trying to share the experience of suffering as a Black person in America. I thought my intention was to carry some of the suffering, to connect, to be a person who can be trusted with the pain. I’m so grateful to others in the community who pointed out that my behavior had a different impact, which is the thing that renders my intention kinda meaningless. Your words “Black America cannot afford to stop mentoring us, so we never have to be existentially alone” continue to fill me with grief. Why would I ever want to experience the hell-on-earth of being existentially alone? And a more important question: why would my commitment to social justice hinge on an ability to share that experience? I get stuck in feeling grateful to the people and space that have stirred these questions in me. I get stuck in the nourishment of a community where a person of color can guide me to these questions. And then I come back to the reality that you describe: Black America cannot afford to stop mentoring me. I ache every time I read this, as I should. Without getting stuck there.

  72. Samantha Avatar
    Samantha

    Thank you for the thoughtful and well written delve into your own journey, Rahda! I really related to the way you ended the piece, “I am both grateful and grumpy about it. But if I want to eschew a colonizer vision of what it means to live here and be counted on, this is the work. So I am thanking Lace and also whining at her in my head. Both things are true.” I came to this space not knowing what to expect, not fully realizing what would be expected of me and everyone else in the community. On one hand, this is the place I’ve been looking for; a place where I can have hard conversations and make mistakes, but also be called out and asked to do better when I do make them. On the other hand, it is most definitely work. The appeal of retreating to my place of “I’m working on it”, “I’m doing the best I can” is definitely calling to me. The comfort of having read an article and being able to say, “See! I’m an ally. I read an article I found on social media from a black led news source” The performance of reposting the articles I read to prove I’m working on myself. It’s not enough, and I know it.
    I took some online classes a few years back and remember that there was an expectation to engage in class discussions, to read classmates’ responses and actually reply. It felt so different compared to how I normally interacted on the internet. While I whined and balked in the beginning, if I wanted the credit, I had to put in the work and the time to actually listen. That ended up being extremely valuable and offering perspectives I hadn’t thought of. While I didn’t come to this space expecting this level of involvement, I see how it can be at best unproductive and at worst incredibly harmful to not join in the discussion and do the work to dismantle my own biases.

  73. Debbie L Kinsinger Avatar
    Debbie L Kinsinger

    Like many others whose reflections on Rahda’s thoughts I’ve read, I see ways to pivot the cause to anti-racism to a cause for any other marginalized demographic, just not here not now. Now is the time to immerse myself in this cause and this discourse. While I hear Lace encouraging us to see the broader focus, like Lace’s describing taking off her glasses to see the diffuse aspect of a person, Rahda invites us into the liminal space, the threshold the transition, this space. I need to sit here in this liminal space, and absorb it. And I am grateful to those who sit here like me, raw and vulnerable, willing to take the risk to be here.

  74. Catherine Seaver Avatar
    Catherine Seaver

    Rahda, your words have stuck with me over the last few days as I grapple with the tension you so perfectly describe. “knowing that systemic injustice cannot be wiped out by self care and personal character building, yet we have to survive so we can be witness to the struggle.” The tension of holding onto ourselves while moving with all deliberate speed towards change. There is so much here to process and I’m so grateful.

    I need to apologize – to Lace and the admin team and other walkers. I jumped out of the intended order for the required readings and realize that this means I decided that I knew a better way to tackle the content – jumping into the relational ethics section before doing the previous posts laid out by the team here. I’m embarrassed by this and know it’s disrespectful to all the thought and effort put into this space by Lace and her team. I’m sorry and will do better, I’m now resuming the intended order.

    I considered just posting my response to Rahda’s work and hoping I could just blend into the many folks working through these posts, and then noticed that I’d be doing the very opposite of what we’re here to do – to reduce and mitigate the harm done to black and brown people as perpetuated by white people. So I’m apologizing for my arrogance in thinking I could jump around, and not slowing down enough to think closely about how this would feel to Lace. I own this mistake and the pain/frustration that this kind of arrogance very likely causes to Lace and other black and brown walkers. I will do better.
    I’m aware too that this is a pattern I have, of zooming ahead to what seems the most important thing… and while I’ve been reflecting on this situation (experiencing definite whooshes) I realize that slowing down will serve to reduce further harm in all my interactions with black and brown folks. I also realize that my decision was about being SEEN doing the important work (jumping into the Relational Ethics section) and how that also centers me – continues to harm – as opposed to doing the work of reducing and mitigating the harm done to black and brown people, perpetrated by white people.

    Rahda’s grappling with “what it means to shape myself into a person that black people can count on.” has deeply resonated with me. In this instance it means that I simply do what is asked of me – that is how I show I’m trustworthy and can be counted on. What I’m also figuring out here is how to be in relationship with other flawed humans, to be honest, and walk eye-to-eye… so instead of pretending not to be flawed, I’ll just own it. This is one of the ways that I’m crazy – I started moving fast, intensely and until now hadn’t realized how this causes harm, especially to black and brown folks, whose leadership I am looking to follow. I’m so very sorry. I paused this weekend to process and hold onto myself so I could return and post this.

    I’ll also be prioritizing funding black-led organizations (setting up recurring payments this week so I can be more reliable financially) this feels tied to slowing down and following Lace’s guidelines, as before I delve deeper in this work, I don’t want to consume folks time and effort without paying for it first (and consistently).
    I’m very sorry. I’ll do better.

  75. Julia G. Avatar
    Julia G.

    Christin, reading this, I appreciate your writing a thoughtful reply. I understand more fully your meaning regarding the use of fictive imagination.

  76. Zoe Avatar
    Zoe

    Mischelle, do come back and talk more about what’s next for you. How will you grow and change?

  77. Zoe Avatar
    Zoe

    Tiffany, that’s a good start, that squirming. What’s next for you? How can you carry this learning forward?

  78. Zoe Avatar
    Zoe

    I appreciate your thoughtful response, and look forward to hearing more about where this journey takes you!

  79. Shay Roberts Avatar
    Shay Roberts

    I am grateful for and humbled by Radha, this space, and the perspectives and insights provided. The insight that Black America cannot afford to stop mentoring us, meaning that we as allies never have to be alone and that when we have a moment to step up and show our trustworthiness and ally ship, we still have a safety net to fall back on – as works in progress. What a privilege to have safety net upon safety net in this journey that is already a choice we can opt out of if we wish. Because being white and just showing up or trying will be deemed by some as enough. I have to acknowledge that I have had these thoughts.
    I also appreciate Radhi’s words that until something is personal, we don’t show up or take action. Currently, I find myself attempting to explain myself in white circles on the reasoning behind or my personal connection to any involvement in racial justice work. It usually goes something like, “I’m a (white) teacher to classrooms of almost all black or brown students.” It’s as if I have to justify my passion or drive to show up and take action by toting out my personal connection. But when I reflect on these moments, it’s not that people have directly asked me, Why are you doing this? Or what’s your motivation? No, the drive to explain myself is coming from me. Why? In an attempt to divert judgement or criticism? To make myself look better? Because I believe a white person has to have a personal connection to take part? I appreciate Radha’s insights and words here – my personal connection does help me learn, but now I will reflect on how that can take away and delay justice for the students and families I am claiming to care about. Initial reflections bring to mind that I am taking away the focus from the issues at hand and centering them on me and my activism. I am also perpetuating the narrative that you must have a personal connection in order to care or take action which as Radha states is fundamentally harmful.

  80. Adrian Ekizian Barton Avatar
    Adrian Ekizian Barton

    This part was one thing that stuck out to me. “I want to think more deeply about how to be practical in my self education, knowing that some aspect of it has to be personal or I won’t learn, but also reflecting on how that can detract from, and delay, justice for people I claim to care about.” I had a similar realization the other day. I found that as I was taking a look at the resources provided here and realizing the work necessary to take responsibility in this community, I found myself “pivoting to transness”. Thinking to myself, “Maybe I should make a community like this for trans people.” Or “I do lots of research and activism regarding trans issues, but I really want to do even more. What if participating in this community takes away my ability to do that?” Or “Wow, what she is saying totally relates to my experiences as a trans man.” Or “Ok but can we please talk about how trans people factor into this?” It was in these thoughts that I started to think about what it might mean to truly show up for the things I care about, myself and others. And I don’t want to get derailed from walking the walk and working towards reducing the harms caused to Black and Brown people by white people because it’s easier to focus on what relates to my own personal struggles. Yet.. It’s complicated…as a trans person I want to show up for trans people, especially trans people of color who dispropotionately experience the highest levels of violence. And I think this attention to intersectionality is so important. But I also worry that in “pivoting to transness” especially as someone who is not Black, I’m at risk of “detract[ing] from and delay[ing] justice for people I claim to care about.” I guess being mindful of this tension is where I’m at right now. I’m a work in progress. I think part of what this made me realize is there is a lot of necessary work I need to do in order to ensure I’m not detracting from or delaying justice for others while knowing that “some aspect of it has to he personal. And I gotta show up. Thank you Lace and Radha for making this a safe-ish space for community.

  81. Tiffany Hunter Avatar
    Tiffany Hunter

    Done.
    Ahhh, how squirmy so much of this makes me! I am most bristling at being called a child and the idea that others would see themselves as parenting me. And yet, I can’t argue with it. You’re right. I am embroiled in a way of behaving that is absent of personal responsibility and humility. Thank you for sharing so bravely and also for your wisdom.

  82. Stacie Ilchena Avatar
    Stacie Ilchena

    Thank you for this. Remaining stuck is wonderful but regardless of my feelings about it, getting unstuck is the right thing to do. The internal conflict doesn’t preclude movement.

  83. Mischelle Kwa Avatar
    Mischelle Kwa

    I have read this more than once now. I like that you stop to really be present with your emotions, uncomfortable and all! I have found myself doing this a lot lately. Changing times need us to stop for reflection and also to be uncomfortable as we grow and change. Beautiful read.

  84. Zan Avatar
    Zan

    Thank you, Radha, for your words and your honesty.

    I am moved (slapped) repeatedly by the idea of “fragility.” The meaning of it for me as a white woman is constantly shifting back and forth from something to defensively dismiss to something I can accept and then work on because fragility in white women, at least in my generation, is still conditioned in us from early on in many ways. And it IS tiresome. I agree.

    Not tiresome enough to throw in the towel. Quite the opposite. I want to root it out, learn to live around the remains, and do what I can to ensure my children don’t inherit it to the same degree… and that they know how to root it out for themselves because they’re watching me.

  85. Rebecca B Avatar
    Rebecca B

    Radha and Lace, thank you for your work and for your generosity. I’m considering the inherent toxicity of whiteness and simultaneously want to be able to deny that and to dismantle my own whiteness brick by brick and reassemble in a better way. But the pieces are infected – healing and new growth is needed. I appreciate Allison’s comment which Zoe also noted that, “I must hold my own hand” to prevent forcing what is my work onto others like a child. And yet, here you all are – offering to teach so long as I meet my responsibilities in the walk. Thank you for your willingness to draw from the well of experience and give the guidance that you do as I learn to hold my own hand.

  86. Zoe Avatar
    Zoe

    Suzanne, thanks for bringing this perspective.

  87. Suzanne Holstein Avatar
    Suzanne Holstein

    This resonates with me. I am Anglo-Indian and yes! I can hear the things my Indian family said that made me cringe as a young person and now make me scream in my head when I replay them in my mind. We should not buy into the colonizers belief system that everything white is better and yet we do. From straightening our hair, to whitening our skin to positioning ourselves as part of the white community to ensure all the benefits and privileges. I will leave out the whole model minority aspect as that would make this reply too long. Thank you for writing this.

  88. Zoe Avatar
    Zoe

    Masks on, buckets held level, here we go!

  89. Colleen Gibbs Avatar
    Colleen Gibbs

    Thank you, Radha, for painting such a strong picture of our complexities and pitfalls as we strive to grow, and transform that growth into action. I came to this forum to listen and learn how to be an effective ally in my community in order to prevent further harm and trauma to black people. I felt that guilty tug when I read, ”racial supremacy has that toxic way of getting stuck—…stuck on the growth and reshaping part…”. The last few weeks that I’ve spent on this forum listening, learning, Contemplating, Commenting… it feels like striking a match and watching it until it burns out. It’s a burst of energy and provides a pretty flame and a bit of warmth. This can be a *supremely* comfortable place to remain, striking match after match. Translating new knowledge and understanding into action that prevents black people from further harm and trauma, requires me to use my matches to light a virtual bonfire. It requires me to risk something personal, to be uncomfortable, to get burned sometimes. But I feel braver and more capable. And I’ve discovered many other people in my community who have also searched out and listened to more black voices than we’ve ever heard in our lives, who understand that our whiteness carries a very real responsibility to do hard, often uncomfortable work, in order to stop the violence being inflicted upon our black neighbors. I hope if any of them see me watching a match burn, they’ll smack me and remind me of the bonfires we need to light. We can’t wait to act until we’ve learned everything, for we’d never act. But we can keep learning as we listen to and do what our black community leaders ask us to do.

  90. Christin Spoolstra Avatar
    Christin Spoolstra

    Hey Julia, I had to reread a few times to figure out what I was even saying!! I wager that I got distracted half way through… no excuse and I apologize for that; I shouldn’t have hit submit. When rereading, I think what I left out was more context on ‘resolve’ – I mean it not as in resolving a conflict or a gap but in terms of determination (I am resolved to do X because of what I learned from Y). So, for me, using fictive imagination has helped me better understand where someone is coming from when it’s somewhere I’ve never been myself; based on that understanding be able to accept what they are saying as truth; and resolve to make changes stemming from that new understanding.

  91. Devon Avatar
    Devon

    Thank you to Radha for writing of your struggles. The words that grabbed me the most are “Remaining stuck is wonderful,” followed closely by “we can retreat to ‘I am a work in progress.’” The words present to me an idea of ignorance is bliss, I can sit in my hole and be safe with where I am at because I made a few steps from my last hole. I don’t want to be stuck, yet I struggle with keeping my education moving forward. Everyone likes to feel safe and every person can feel more safe if I am uncomfortable. When the facts are set before me and I see I have erred I can say ‘I am trying, don’t you see?’ I could be performative and whine about being called out for taking micro-steps when I should be embracing the progress I take with full steps. I am a work in progress seems both an excuse and a promise. Remaining stuck is my safe place. It is accorded to me with my white privilege, but if I want to make progress and promise and a goal I need to take bigger steps. I need to read everyday of the resources suggested, I need to watch both the resources and my actions, I need to listen when experiences are told, and I need to be comfortable being uncomfortable. This is the only way I can say “I am a work in progress”, with meaningful steps.

  92. Julie Mandel Avatar
    Julie Mandel

    Thank you Radha and Lace for this thought-provoking piece. One thing that stood out to me in this essay was the following: “I want to think more deeply about how to be practical in my self education, knowing that some aspect of it has to be personal or I won’t learn, but also reflecting on how that can detract from, and delay, justice for people I claim to care about.” Reading this has made me reflect on how my instinct is often to relate something I read to something that is more personally relevant to me, as a white woman. While I think the ability to relate and empathize has helped me (and other white people I’ve talked to) flip that switch in my mind where I realize that a thought pattern I have is racist, I am seeing now that I rely on that technique too much. It’s important that I work towards understanding others’ assertions at face value, instead of needing to relate it to a personal feeling.

  93. Julia G. Avatar
    Julia G.

    Zoe, thank you for the heads up re allowing ego to get in the way of digging in and doing the work. Lace on Race isn’t about me or the other writers. It is about the work. I understand that. I come here plain, humble, open.

  94. Zoe Avatar
    Zoe

    I appreciate your recognition that we tend to pivot to something we do understand. I have been caught here explaining the experience of lower-income white people in Britain. The reflection was indeed part of my inner journey, but we do have to work hard on not distracting, on listening.

  95. Zoe Brookes Avatar
    Zoe Brookes

    Jessica, Megan, Julia, I see that we are starting to talk. Thank you for engaging. As we walk further together, look out for the “lumpy crossings”. Take a look at this post if you’re not sure what I mean. https://www.facebook.com/laceonrace/posts/348478202472660
    Educated white folk have a tendency to focus on their own perfection, or lack of it, rather than on how they are needed now, how to be in relation, how to walk with rather than race ahead of. Have you ever walked with someone who seems impatient, elbows slightly out, wiggling her butt to move a little faster to get to the head of the line? We can be like that when we get a hold of anti-racism work. And we start wiggling to get ahead of one another. I catch myself at it all the time. When I hear white sisters talk about their own shame, their “not good enough”s that rings alarm bells for me. If we’re not careful, our own inadequacies become the focus. We are welcome to walk here as imperfect, biased, forgetful, thoughtless and faithless people if we are seriously, intentionally, ploddingly, taking steps to change.

  96. Leah Gallo Avatar
    Leah Gallo

    Thank you for the insightful words, Radha. Two concepts really struck me about this beautifully written essay. The first is “The very idea of ‘parenting’ someone endlessly this way so that they won’t erase my identity is what I find appalling.” When phrased in this way it really hit home the sacrifice people like Lace and other black educators make to teach white people about systemic racism, having to constantly advocate for black people to be looked at as equal.

    The second point was about learning how to be able to empathise with and support a cause even if it isn’t personal (although systemic racism is personal to every white person, perhaps just not in ways we understand). How pivoting to something we do understand (she mentions disability, I think of feminism) isn’t always useful and can even detract. I am always trying to find a frame of reference in my mind, consciously and unconsciously. I need to sit with the idea that this perhaps isn’t the best way to be an ally, that I need to work on taking myself out of the equation and accepting knowledge and learning on its own merit, divorced from my preconceived notions.

  97. Julia G. Avatar
    Julia G.

    Thank you Jessica, Zoe and Megan. Megan, my story is a close match to yours. I interpret your last two sentences as a pledge: “Walk in this work with clarity and purpose and freedom, fully offering my skills and spirit to the work of change…” for people of color. “Shame and guilt squelch my power and ability to be effective.” There is no room in my body, mind, or soul as I do this work.

  98. Megan Danforth Avatar
    Megan Danforth

    I completely feel you, Jessica. Shame is a familiar territory for me. In fact, I believe it’s generational, as I see how my parents have each carried it deeply albeit differently. I want to find a way to walk in this work with clarity and purpose and freedom, fully offering my skills and spirit to the work of change in this direction. Shame, and guilt, squelch my power and ability to be effective. Thank you.

  99. Megan Danforth Avatar
    Megan Danforth

    Yes, risk your privilege. I can feel this. It is different from using one’s privilege while still holding onto it with white knuckles. Risking one’s privilege communicates action that is non-attached to privilege but recognizes it’s potential for positive influence and therefore can utilize it wisely.

  100. Julia G. Avatar
    Julia G.

    Christin, practicing fictive imagination a white person may truly understand, accept, and resolve?

  101. Marlise Avatar
    Marlise

    As Radha discusses it, reshaping does need to be a divestment of toxic whiteness. The nuance reminds me of how we are often told to “use your privilege” and we hear “keep it to be used.” What is really being said to us is “risk your privilege.” I find a similar framing with the word reshaping here. I think we white people are prone to think we just need to clip visible weeds and count that as reshaped. We don’t consider digging to the bottom of the garden box to pull out all the bulbs and roots of the weeds. Reshaping isn’t just a different pinch of clay here and there. It is pulling the whole thing off the wheel to start again.

  102. Julia G. Avatar
    Julia G.

    Julia G. has written:
    June 8, 2020 at 11:39 am Reply
    Radha, your bone-deep writing catches the imperfection of being human and lays its hideousness and grace wide open for all to perceive.

    These words, “We all have ways in which our marginalized identities may intersect with racial justice, but as people who pose a threat to black wellbeing, I think it’s important not to let it all bleed together.”

    Deeply grateful for the opportunity to walk with you, learn from you.

  103. Julia G. Avatar
    Julia G.

    Radha, your bone-deep writing catches the imperfection of being human and lays its hideousness and grace wide open for all to perceive.

    These words, “We all have ways in which our marginalized identities may intersect with racial justice, but as people who pose a threat to black wellbeing, I think it’s important not to let it all bleed together.”

    Deeply grateful for the opportunity to walk with you, learn from you.

  104. Jessica Brown Avatar
    Jessica Brown

    Reading your post, Ashley, I experienced goosebumps of recognition. You know the feeling. Well articulated.

  105. Ashley K Avatar
    Ashley K

    “That toxic way of getting stuck.” I definitely see myself here. I get stuck in the ways you share, and in other ways. I get stuck in anger at the education I received in schools, anger at my parents for not seeing that this education was completely inadequate, anger at myself for still needing guidance. I also get stuck in the “helpless rage” at the scope and size of injustice. Thank you for naming those felings and sharing them.

    In the short time I’ve been in the Lace on Race space, however, I feel a little less stuck. I’m coming at this work more and more from the concept of reducing harm. And I know that it’s because I’m expected to engage and not just nod my head and scroll on by.

  106. Jessica Brown Avatar
    Jessica Brown

    Absolutely. Taking responsible responsibility for my actions while minimising the harm I do – and sitting with those shitty feelings and knowing they are there for a reason.

    Thanks for your reply, Zoe.

  107. Zoe Brookes Avatar
    Zoe Brookes

    Ah, shame. I recognize that old friend. Something I’m learning here is how to shift that shame into ownership of my actions and energy to choose differently. For me, That means letting go of being imperfect and committing to keep learning.

  108. Jessica Brown Avatar
    Jessica Brown

    Thank you, Radha for sharing your time and insight. Your writing peels back layers for me to see more clearly. I’ve read it a few times over the last week and I feel like I understand something more. Using your expression, I think it’s a white habit to “pivot” to entitlement. I can see this in myself and it makes me feel ashamed.

  109. Megan Danforth Avatar
    Megan Danforth

    Thank you Marlise! Divesting from whiteness feels much more graspable. I went down this road of ‘shape and form’ of whiteness in response to Radha’s statement “That racial justice in this country isn’t possible without whiteness being reshaped”. The statement kind of caught in my throat and I needed to wrestle with it a bit. You ask, How do I let go of my need for identity and individuality rooted in ‘the power over’ of my whiteness? An extremely good question. Our identities begin to craft themselves in childhood and I realize that it was very early on that I began to identify with having more opportunities, being special, knowing that the world would open and embrace me for the work I’d do in it. Talk about entitlement! I grew up in a log cabin on 60 acres in rural Michigan with parents who were very active in social and environmental movements (and remain so). Annually I spent summers visiting my father’s parents in Boston (a penthouse apartment) and Cape Cod (generational family home on the water) and felt so enamored with their wealth and lifestyle. It was in stark contrast to my home life but still seemed to be a part of ‘us’. So I began to identify with this and try to keep up with the Joneses. I wanted to look and feel rich and powerful. I believe divesting of my whiteness, specifically its aspect of ‘power over’, begins here, where I began investing in my whiteness, privilege, and power. Thank you.

  110. Marlise Avatar
    Marlise

    Megan, we should ask how do we divest from whiteness, not reshape. There is not historical context of whiteness devoid of violence. Reshaping insinuates that the grounding of whiteness is solid and whole. It is not. As a white person, it is part of our culture to suggest reforming or resculpting but that bypasses the actual structure of power and racism embedded in whiteness. How do I let go of my need for identity and individuality rooted in the power over of my whiteness? How do I divest of whiteness?

  111. Angela Avatar
    Angela

    Two things especially struck me in this essay. One is the part about fragility being tiresome. I want to approach learning more about race and anti-racism in a way that avoids others needing to “parent” me, and to try not to be tiresome with my fragility and need for education. The other is the idea of being both grateful and grumpy at the same time. I appreciate the acknowledgment that sometimes both those are felt at once.

  112. Christin Spoolstra Avatar
    Christin Spoolstra

    I certainly understand that struggle to “relate,” but we practice fictive imagination in this community (kind of like walking a mile in someone’s shoes); that helps us understand, accept, and resolve.

  113. Leah Clark Avatar
    Leah Clark

    Radha! My phone changed it and I didn’t realize! My apologies.

  114. Leah Clark Avatar
    Leah Clark

    Thank you for your words, Rasha. I guess I never realized that yoga is a spiritual practice that has been whitewashed. I’m attempting to imagine how I would feel if a spiritual practice of mine was basically stolen and re-presented by another culture. I can only say that’si don’t think it would make me feel good in any way.
    I’m used to trying to “find a common thread” in situations in order to “relate”. I will never be able to do that with people of color. So I must seek to understand, and accept my part in it. And be willing to change.

  115. Megan Danforth Avatar
    Megan Danforth

    Radha, in reading your words I feel as if I’ve just traveled through a whole new landscape of awareness, sensing the light bend in different ways, running my heart through textures and tones that are rendering me speechless and uncertain. To be honest, I feel small, inadequate and afraid in this landscape, as if I need a new language to communicate here.

    How do we reshape whiteness? This seems like an ungrounded theoretical inquiry but at the same time, giving it consideration seems a worthy process. Hmm…

    I am a white woman and descendent of the colonizers, my ancestor arrived in 1634 on an English ship called the Griffin. What is the shape of my own whiteness? Smooth and buttery, porcelain and prickly? Bulging with guilt? I don’t believe that walking this path is meant to make me feel more uncomfortable in my own skin but it appears that way sometimes. I do not want to be ashamed of my whiteness or my ancestry yet at the same time I feel an overwhelming responsibility to offset the horrors of my own family history through walking this path, educating myself, cultivating a much greater tolerance for the discomfort I feel as I become more and more aware of my privilege and all the ways my lifestyle, words, and actions inflict harm on people of color. It is here that I work wholeheartedly; to cause less harm, to look into my own shadows and illuminate and uproot the systemic racism that exists within the neglected corridors of my own mind and body. I think reshaping whiteness has something to do with casting a much smaller shadow. Whiteness needs to scale itself down, become more transparent, and let go of its swollen grandiosity. And so I work to resculpt my own whiteness.

  116. Seanna Avatar
    Seanna

    Thank you Radha, this is a very thoughtful and important essay. I am sitting with what you wrote and thinking through it, but I wanted to write now how much I appreciate your words.

  117. Zoe Brookes Avatar
    Zoe Brookes

    Katie your comment is chiefly about your process. Can you comment on what you’re learning?

  118. Zoe Brookes Avatar
    Zoe Brookes

    “Hold my own hand” is great, as well as trading perfection for honesty. I resonate personally with your feelings as you start your journey here.

  119. Zoe Brookes Avatar
    Zoe Brookes

    Hi Sara, in your comment, you don’t let us know how you identify racially. It’s not always necessary, but in this context would be helpful. I’m going to go ahead and assume you identify as white and offer: can you locate yourself in the pattern of white people expecting POC to parent and constantly educate? Has this ever been true for you? What have you learned or resolved?

  120. Zoe Brookes Avatar
    Zoe Brookes

    Pallavi, how are you seeing the work ahead of you? What is your next step?

  121. Christin Spoolstra Avatar
    Christin Spoolstra

    That’s a big understanding to come to. Would you mind sharing what you’re doing with that knowledge now that you have it?

  122. Lisa Spears Avatar
    Lisa Spears

    Thank you, Radha for writing this beautiful piece and for so much honesty. The part that I really keep thinking about is when you said, “People slither into spaces marginalized people have worked hard to create and protect, and then colonize those spaces, then gaslight the creators into giving up power.” I thought this was a powerful statement and then when I thought about my yoga practice that I have always heard “yoga is for everyone” and not once have I ever heard anything about the culture or the people that we took it from and that built it. It is just assumed it is for us to benefit from, that it should serve us.

  123. Christin Spoolstra Avatar
    Christin Spoolstra

    Hi Anne – I often find myself with the expectation and justify it with the “only they know.” What does doing the work yourself look like?

  124. Christin Spoolstra Avatar
    Christin Spoolstra

    It really is a beautiful essay. Did anything in particular stand out to you?

  125. Tammy Avatar
    Tammy

    I am new and I am reading and listening. Thank you for a beautiful essay.

  126. Pallavi Chandna Avatar
    Pallavi Chandna

    Thank you for your words, Radha. “I’m not white, but I might as well be” really rang true with me. I’ve benefitted from the advantages white people have and in doing so, I need to remember that when I ask my Black mentors about the difficulties in their lives, I’m expecting them to relive a painful moment for my own benefit. It’s making me uncomfortable to think about. But there is no shortcut to this work, and this work isn’t about me.

  127. Amy Sommer Avatar
    Amy Sommer

    Thank you for these lovely words.
    What’s sticking w me so far is trust. I need to take risks to grow. But sometimes when I risk I trip or I fall or I spill or I jangle. And so I have to be really careful to ONLY take risks when I’m sure they are needed and in the safest ways I can manage.
    Yesterday I think I broke trust. I am not thinking it’s wise to share the details because they’re only mine to fix. But this post makes me think about trust and how it is slowly built and can be eroded…. sometimes all at once but more often by repeat offenses. One mis-step in a relationship can often be fixed with a genuine apology and a commitment to do bettter. But it’s not good enough for me to apologize and keep doing the same. Might as well swallow the apology then. This is what I teach my kids and it’s what I want to remember as I balance risks and trust.

  128. Allison McGrath Avatar
    Allison McGrath

    So much of this resonates. I know that I have a tendency to let my perfectionism and need for approval from others prevent me from jumping in to the work. I need to remember that I must hold my own hand through this process, and let myself be honest & imperfect. I’m just starting here in this space, and I already know that I will need to force myself to slow down as I do, sit with uncomfortable feelings and the lumpiness of the path, without that outside approval that I know that I crave. Thank you Radha, for your eloquent words here.

  129. Renee Avatar
    Renee

    And I realized that I just said what I wanted to say without saying thank you Radha. I apologize. I conveyed my ‘insights’ without showing proper respect for the education you gave. I will do better.

  130. Renee Avatar
    Renee

    I like what you said here Jen. We have to really do the work. And I want to start working. I hate too, how many months, years, and decades it takes for things to change a little bit. For some progress to happen. And then we pat ourselves on the back b/c we finally recognized one of the many racist things we were doing and stopped. Yes, we should make those changes. But it also feels cheap in some way to say ‘well, i was slightly less racist this week.’ Because we are asking people of color to be happy with our slow progress to accept their identifies and their existence. I too, was struck by the piece about being ‘Stuck in the space between a) needing and expecting constant education, and b) showing trustworthiness.’ We put people of color through so much trauma to help that white friend or family member get some insight or recognition of something that shouldn’t need explaining.

  131. cheryl harris Avatar
    cheryl harris

    So appreciate the intro and essay. And so much to think through. So much resonated for me, Radha, as I’m from a Middle eastern family, but I may as well be from a lily-White family as much as my racially aware perspective. And I have found myself commenting, submitting, rethinking, re-reading, second-guessing, rethinking again–because I know that there’s so much I don’t know. So many blind spots, just not quite sure where all of them are yet. And I hate knowing the path means making mistakes, discomfort, and dealing with my own response. appreciate you sharing your path.

  132. Katie Avatar
    Katie

    Thank you Lace for doing this important work of mentoring and sharing your words, time, and labor with me. Thank you Radha for this essay, I’ve read it and Lace’s introduction twice now. I am thinking a lot about being stuck and a lot about being uncomfortable. This pandemic has made me sit with my thoughts a lot when I normally distract myself with life. I am sitting now in this space and actively learning and listening and reevaluating if I am doing the work right. I really appreciate the perspectives that I have read and reflect on as my thought patterns shift and grow. It is my responsibility to reshape my whiteness and be a trustworthy ally. Thank you for this space.

  133. Clare Steward Avatar
    Clare Steward

    Thank you Radha. I have been pondering your words for over a day specifically, “But racial supremacy has that toxic way of getting stuck—stuck on the anger of being called out; stuck on the growth and reshaping part; stuck on the delight of being centered in the work; stuck on how delicious it is to dwell in fragility. ” As I read posts and comments on social media, I can identify white people ‘s anger on being called out. WP, myself included, get stuck in defeniveness and try to justify that they are good people who can not be held responsible for racism. I understand being stuck in the delight of being centered in the work as I find it difficult, as self centered as it is, to remove my personal experiences, thoughts and feelings as I internalize these readings. I’ll keep walking and learning.

  134. Jeanine Senn Avatar
    Jeanine Senn

    Lace and Radha, you both write eloquently! Thank you for sharing your thoughts and struggles. I want to walk with you in this “land of lumpy crossings.” I want to be one of those you can trust to lean on when your feet are sore. It is not your job to educate me. I will listen to you without expecting you to be parental. I will work on me. Pivoting to my own places of marginalization was a starting point for my learning, but definitely not where I will land. I know from my limited experience trying to educate relatives and coworkers that calling out white supremacy is exhausting, even coming from whiteness. I’m here with renewed hope that somehow, it must be possible.

  135. Kati Paul Avatar
    Kati Paul

    (I thought I commented already, but I don’t see my comment, so let me try again.) I’m replying to Jen’s comment here because I really resonated with it. I admit that I have been a slacker in this anti-racist work for a long time. I have lived in learned helplessness and consoled myself with the justification that I’m not as bad as [this person] or as oblivious as [that person]. I’m here in this space now because I want to do the work. Thank you, Radha, for your inspirational and convicting words.

  136. Morgan Leigh Callison Avatar

    Thank you for this deeply reflective perspective. Thank you for placing the polarities of your truths out for us all to read. It is both humbling and encouraging to keep showing up.

  137. Anne Putnam Avatar
    Anne Putnam

    Thank you, Radha, for your powerful words. The phrase “how delicious it is to dwell in fragility” really struck home. I fear I expect persons of color to educate me – answer my questions, tell me what to read, what to do – instead of doing the work myself.

  138. Sara Schwanke Avatar
    Sara Schwanke

    Thank you, Radha. I’m a teacher and I literally make a living educating my students. The fact that white people expect POC to parent and constantly educate is nauseating.

  139. Sara Schwanke Avatar
    Sara Schwanke

    Thank you, Radha. I’m a teacher and I literally make a living educating my students. The fact that white people expect POC to parent and constantly educate is nauseating.

  140. Mariana W. Avatar
    Mariana W.

    The first time I read through this I was quite confused. Reading through it a second time, I am able to comprehend more of the message.

  141. Joanna Tyson Avatar
    Joanna Tyson

    I just got here and read the request to comment and not leave emojis. This is the second essay I’ve read. I definitely want to learn to be more reliable and suspect that it should not be fun or brief, so I think I have found a good space for that. I’m looking forward to my discomfort.

  142. Jes B Avatar
    Jes B

    Read this twice to dwell on the words. This struck me hard today, as I battle with this struggle that you expressed so well: “Call out whiteness when it damages us, as it tends to do, but never seek to drop the hand of whiteness.” Thank you for your words.

  143. Amanda Swartfager Avatar
    Amanda Swartfager

    Thank you, Radha. Your words were wonderfully expressed. I struggle with making things personal. I’ve always thought of it like walking a beam, but the way you presented it helped me see it more like opening a window. I don’t want to erase another person’s experience, swallowing it up in my efforts to be empathetic, so I often say nothing, which, when I think about it, is worse.

  144. Emily V Avatar
    Emily V

    Radha thank you for sharing this. For me it is profound.

    “But racial supremacy has that toxic way of getting stuck—stuck on the anger of being called out; stuck on the growth and reshaping part; stuck on the delight of being centered in the work; stuck on how delicious it is to dwell in fragility. Stuck in the space between a) needing and expecting constant education, and b) showing trustworthiness.”

    This idea you talked about of being stuck really grabbed my attention. I get stuck in all these ways and at the same time have never seen them in opposition to showing trustworthiness. But of course they are. I am asking myself with urgent curiosity what it looks like and sounds like and feels like to show authentic, meaningful trustworthiness to Black people and POC.

  145. Shannon Avatar
    Shannon

    Yes, from both fronts on being tiresome – it’s tiresome for everyone. That fragility is also so wounding because white women’s lack of strength – including my own – requires that Black women be strong instead. Black women’s constant need to be on the lookout, to be constantly aware of everything, means that they don’t get a chance to rest. White women drive that lack of rest, with our needs and the physical and emotional risks we create.

  146. Heather S Avatar
    Heather S

    Thank you Radha. I am thinking about this sentence: “Somehow, fundamentally, I believe that our instinct to do this stuff can be harmful.” I see myself in this; I have a co-worker who is a black woman who shares every news story that comes out about the latest violence that occurs against a POC. Each time, she says “I couldn’t read/watch this, but I had to share.” I naively thought I was helping by reposting and reading and watching it all. It wasn’t until I started coming to this website and the Facebook page when I realized that I was possibly harming her and other black friends further by ensuring they would see those same stories again. I thought if I shared these stories they could be pushed out to people who wouldn’t normally see them, but if I’m being 100% honest, I was also showing my white friends that I was “with it.” Who does that help? The obvious truth is no one.

  147. Jen Avatar
    Jen

    I often make excuses for myself and others with the “work in progress” line. And I struggle with this. Because aren’t we all “works in progress?” I mean — I certainly have a lot of learning to do about anti-racism — that’s why I’m here. I also watched members of my family — older generations mostly — start to in some way recognize the role that white supremacy and racism has played in their lives, and in them I have seen “progress.” But that progress for the most part took DECADES and required some sort of personal impact on them to motivate it. So I think I get it. If I’m going to be a “work in progress” I better start REALLY working, harder and faster. Black people shouldn’t have to wait months, years, decades for me to “shape myself into a person that black people can count on.” They’ve already been waiting for centuries.

  148. Julia Avatar
    Julia

    I’d also thought of this as parenting work—parenting myself so that I quit putting that burden on Black and Brown people.

    And like other aspects of growing up, it is sometimes no fun, and it is tempting (and easy!) to make our opportunities for growth, and the people who guide us to them, into “the bad guy”.

  149. […] Sitting in Liminal Spaces […]

  150. Jen Taylor Avatar
    Jen Taylor

    Thank you, Radha, for this thoughtful piece. There are many elements here that speak to me, particularly the burden I place on people of color by my need for education. One theme you touched on here that I haven’t reflected on elsewhere is appropriation. I haven’t fully considered how appropriation brings harm but your reflection on yoga helped me see this more clearly. It has opened my eyes to another way I bring harm and something I must address in myself.

  151. Christin Spoolstra Avatar
    Christin Spoolstra

    I’ve been working on language and using the active tense, so I’m trying to flip what Radha is saying to realize my own action: I debate the dignity and survival of PoC. In doing so, I force myself at the center of that debate and twist things around to make them personal. The very fact that I need to practice active tense shows this horrible truth. This walk is lumpy, but I can do my damndest to need less parenting.

  152. Rebecca Avatar
    Rebecca

    Thank you, Radha. I was struck when you said
    “every time a moment comes when we might truly demonstrate our allyship, we can retreat to “I am a work in progress.”” Oh my, I totally do that. Thanks for bringing that to light for me. When I default and use my own personal growth as an excuse I’m exercising my white privilege for sure 🙁

  153. Maggie Avatar
    Maggie

    I, too, had to stop and look up the definition of “liminal.” I won’t put it here because I think you have to care enough about vocabulary to see it for yourself. I had read this piece once not knowing the definition and came back for another go at it armed with my dictionary. It changed, and it moved, and it made both more sense and less.

    One of my favorite quotes has always been one by Emerson: “Do I contradict myself? Very well then, I contradict myself. I am large. I contain multitudes.” It’s not the same as what Radha has written, and can be a dangerous viewpoint if used ignorantly. What it usually means to me is that I don’t know what I don’t know.

    When it comes to race, I don’t know a lot. What a burden on the Black community to be always forced to educate me! And in Lace’s case, it isn’t passive education; it is very involved and much more like mentorship. A greater burden and a greater risk.

    I want to come back to this article again. Thank you.

  154. Alexia Avatar
    Alexia

    Radha, thank you for this piece. As a non-Black woman of color who has been in a “liminal space” watching Lace’s work and engaging sometimes, this piece really touched the inner knowledge I already held but didn’t face — that no matter my own identity, my organizing experience, the things I’ve read and studied — there is STILL work to do. De-internalization is a daily practice, and it needs to be done with intention, community, accountability. I look forward to learning more from all of you, and especially Lace. Thank you for this work.

  155. Megan Horst Avatar
    Megan Horst

    Thank you Radha. I too find myself pivoting to disability, since it is personal for me (my husband has a disability). But, as you observe, that pivot is harmful, or at least not as liberating as it can be, for the pursuit of justice. As a yt woman, I am going to work to pivot to race.

  156. Karen Avatar
    Karen

    Just about every piece and every comment I read teach me something harmful that I do. I enjoy being stuck, I claim learner status, I virtue signal, I back away. I read something new and think about my last post that contained these white people… ways to not deal, to not let in, to be neither responsible nor accountable. I pivot to the things I know, the things I’ve experienced. I don’t ppivot to race. I rationalize my actions, but I’m now trying to learn instead. I’m working to remain open, to breathe and let the words I read settle in. I am very “I” focused in my reactions so far, and losing sight of what I read. Slowing down. Thank you for your open, honest writing, Radha. Thank you all for your comments. I am recognizing errors I make thanks to you all.

  157. Varda l Avatar
    Varda l

    In a comment deep in a discussion thread, Lace talked about how emotions can be mixed and how negative emotions can be enjoyable. The person you love to hate and can even form community on hating. The doubter that you are able to show up. The superiority of pity.

    The catharsis of expiating whiteness is probably one of the most profound. Especially since we can rely on our entire circle to hold us back from real change, like some belligerent jock who knows he’ll never have to land an actual punch because his friends will safeguard him from his violence.

  158. Varda L Avatar
    Varda L

    Thank you Radha. Your perspectives cut so cleanly through the garbage.

    As I read this piece, I had three thoughts. Different, but maybe just pivots from the same center.

    First, i was struck by the great gift Lace gave us, when she called white “centering” out for the narcissism it is. It demands that I rework my relationship with others. That I consider not my acts but my impact. As I read this piece, that frame was top of mind. I could clearly see the difference between my normal state and the one that Radha invites us into.

    The next thing that I was struck by was the training into whiteness that Radha shared. Like my great-grandfather, who chose whiteness over his Italian/French-Canadian family history, US society continues to teach people to pursue the crumbs of proximital power rather than being enough in their family histories and personal identities. When Radha talks about remaking whiteness, this is what I imagine. The caste power disappearing and each of us standing alone and naked in our individual qualities and family histories. Thinking that through, my heart hurts at the family identity that has been continually stolen from Black Americans for the last 300 years. And also the gaslighting over talents and strengths.

    The third thing, and I’m borrowing from another space so I’m not going to say a lot, I remember reading an article about a high school runner who wanted to honor the Missing and Murdered Indigenous Women in her community. She wanted to run track with a red handprint over her mouth, which has become a widespread symbol of the movement. So, the first thing she did was reach out to the woman who started it to ask for her permission and ensure that it was properly contextualized. Treating concepts, food, apparel, art as “universal” without attempting to locate their sources co-opts them into whiteness, similarly to the choice my great-grandfather made to decontextualize himself in the pursuit of whiteness.

  159. Erika Stanley Avatar
    Erika Stanley

    What struck me most, Radha, was what you said about being stuck…”Remaining stuck is wonderful. Black America cannot afford to stop mentoring us, so we never have to be existentially alone.” This reality that our violence against black Americans is rooted down deep into our fear of being alone. That fear generates my desire to be reassured that black people will stay with me at any cost, even as I am watching them die because of white violence. That fear makes white people gobble up and take credit for the work of building American culture and economies- all done by black and brown folx. I can sit back. I can stay in the airport lounge, never arriving… never embarking. No risk, and surrounded in the bustle, so I never have to actually be with myself .

  160. Beth de Wet Avatar
    Beth de Wet

    Radha, your voice is familiar to me as I think we have crossed paths elsewhere. I really appreciate the way you mention the pivot to the things that “matter” to us, like yoga or disability or whatever our personal things are. Thanks for your beautiful honesty as always.

  161. Brianna G Avatar
    Brianna G

    Thank you for this piece Radha. I’m a new walker in the space a young black woman and the words that really stuck out to me were
    “And if I wish people to behave in those unwaveringly trustworthy ways, then it stands to reason that I must be part of their education. The very idea of ‘parenting’ someone endlessly this way so that they won’t erase my identity is what I find appalling.”

    This is annoying and tiring for me not sure how to handle that aspect with grace and not resentment.

  162. Brianna G Avatar
    Brianna G

    Thank you for this piece Radha. I’m a new walker in the space a young black woman and the words that really stuck out to me were
    “And if I wish people to behave in those unwaveringly trustworthy ways, then it stands to reason that I must be part of their education. The very idea of ‘parenting’ someone endlessly this way so that they won’t erase my identity is what I find appalling.”

    This is annoying and tiring for me not sure how to handle that aspect with grace and not resentment.

  163. Heather Avatar
    Heather

    Thank you for your words, Radha. A few statements stuck out to me: “…that racial justice in this country isn’t possible without whiteness being reshaped.” I agree. Whiteness reshaped–sometimes I’d like to shove “whiteness” in a square peg or a round hole, whichever would be the opposite and that which would reshape it. I see spaces like Lace on Race and others working to help us do that. Thank you, Lace.
    And “I want to think more deeply about how to be practical in my self education, knowing that some aspect of it has to be personal or I won’t learn, but also reflect on how that I can detract from, or delay, justice for people I claim to care about.” This got me in the heart. This is me, a white woman married 25 years to my black husband detracting from the justice he deserves. I must put in the work, and like the previous post said, “honor and affirm and move them closer to the person they were meant to be…and not be a hindrance to” them.

  164. Alexis Avatar
    Alexis

    I need constant education about boundaries and justice because I’m not digging in to stay here. When I’m not here, I have to take a step or two back to reacquaint myself to this space and to where I am in the tenets. That means I need to be walked with to get back to where I was and where I could have been. Commuting to stay and move forward and not backward. That focuses my work instead of being focused on catching up.

    That is how I can learn by myself and not always depend on you Lace, and other Black people to give your labor and time to me. I’m gracious that you do, but I need to be more self and other white walkers minded too.

    “And every time a moment comes when we might truly demonstrate our allyship, we can retreat to “I am a work in progress.”

    I revert back to my white fragility but not taking accountability to show my support. That’s what you were talking about if we were a cautionary tale, a case study, or a best practice. Now I understand it more.

  165. Kathy Kratchmer Avatar
    Kathy Kratchmer

    I didn’t even know what ‘liminal space was so I stopped there and read a bit about it: transitional spaces between what was and what is to come where what is to come, the path to it, is perhaps not even clearly defined or known; disorienting spaces.

    And then the body of the post—beautiful and humbling in its transparency…and must striking to me? Not using being a non-Black woman of color with wounding lived experiences of her own to sidestep doing the work necessary to the safety of Black people.

    So many wp I have talked with about race in the US offer up their proximity to Black people as reason not to be concerned about any of it.

    And what of my own woosh I’ve felt when called out as being problematic? Doesn’t the woosh reveal that I Think Aim beyond that now? I’ve been doing the work after all. I’m not like those truly problematic wp. But I am. And as I understand things at this point, the bulk of my walk will be in liminal space—it’s helpful to have the Radha’s words to put around it. Thank you.

  166. Emily Schimmel Avatar
    Emily Schimmel

    “My fragility is so tiresome.“

    This sentence keeps looping over and over through my mind.

    Tiresome for me because it means I have to fight hard to learn, to stay engaged, to think deeply on how I am right there in the stories of white supremacy and oppression of Black people.

    Tiresome for those who are trying to share truth as they surely feel me pull back even just a little or slowly disappear altogether.

    This feels like a great part of my work, to push back always, on my fragility. To assure myself that discomfort is good and right and that my whiteness is both dangerous and necessary in racial justice work.

    Thank you for this sentence. I’m carrying it with me.

  167. Maureen Smith Avatar
    Maureen Smith

    I am new here—a new walker, as I just learned to say—and I am working my way through the pinned messages. I jumped ahead to read about reacts and engagement, and now I read Radha and learned from her and thank her for being so open and real. I resonated with what Katrina said in her response. I am just learning about centering and virtue signaling (I already knew about fragility) and know I am guilty. All I want to do now is say thank you to Lace and all of you who will be my teachers. I know it won’t be easy. It will be lumpy.

  168. Laura Berwick Avatar
    Laura Berwick

    “Both things are true.”

    This has been a big lesson I’ve found here, is that I can hold more in myself than a single truth. As a white woman, there’s a lot to just never had to notice, and I appreciate the nuance of this reflection, and the insight Radha has shared, gifted, allowed me/us here. It’s something I would never have seen on my own, especially if I’d never left the small town I grew up in.

    I feel like, when I started engaging with this community, that I let myself flag in doing the work when it got hard, because I felt like my whining was already failure. So I had many false starts inside myself. But understanding that even doing the work grudgingly is doing the work, that I’m. It here for my own enjoyment but my betterment, even when it hurts, that’s really powerful and helpful to me.

  169. Karina Avatar
    Karina

    Thank you Radha for your authenticity and vulnerability. I have struggled with many of the things you mention here, and struggled to put that struggle into words, which you have done so well here. I wish this work to be smooth and graceful. I certainly don’t want to cause lumps, or admit my own lumpiness, which I see, as I write this, is a whitewashing, an attempt to smooth over and avoid confronting my own deep need and inability to control what others think of me. I ponder how to respond and contribute in a way that is not harmful and not performative. My default to fragility, shame, centering, performance, virtue signaling, withdrawal, and so many other things I know cause harm are annoying and tiring . . . and that annoyance is so very trivial. Continuing this lumpy walk is the only way through it all. Grateful and grumpy . . . yes, both are true. Thank you to Lace, Radha, and all of you in this community for creating this safeish space to walk together.

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