Relational Ethics: On Being with angel Kyodo Williams

“The World Is Our Field Of Practice”–On Being with angel Kyodo Williams

Have you ever thought about who you might be if you allowed yourself to let go of who you thought you were and think you are?

If you kicked away the scaffolding of birth, place, class, book knowledge, race, gender, relationship status, zip code, class rank, and all the rest?

What if being ‘all in’ means walking away from your, from our, (from my) carefully constructed self?

How much of that scaffolding is even yours to begin with? How much are heirlooms of a person you no longer are or want to be, or never were to begin with?

What if the only way to truly walk with reliable intention is to drop all of the baggage on the side of the road, and begin to walk metaphorically naked?

What if your very name changed?

These are some of the queries I have been asking myself since I encountered this On Being audio with Angel Kyodo Williams.

I have long thought that transformation, as the term is usually used, is good, but incomplete.

I have long thought that modern society has considered transformation much as a consumer product; like a facade refresh so you can flip a house, or maybe even hiring an interior designer to switch out drapes, lay new carpet, do a Marie Kondo purge of stuff you don’t need.

But the house remains.

What if transformation demands more than just renovation, but excavation? What if the only way is to bring it down to the studs? What if you keep…..well, let me ask you–what and where is the clench if you had to walk away from, well, everything?

Marie Kondo advises to discard everything that does not spark joy.

Welp.

What if we discarded everything in our lives that did not spark justice?

And not just the material. Because in truth, that is the easier path.

I am talking about the internal. When I locate myself in this, I see my constructed self. Does my need to be good, to be seen as good, spark justice? Does distancing myself from the violent acts I do and that are done in my name spark justice? Am I, at the end of the day, in my imperfect life and my imperfect actions truly aching fully set a justice table? Or am I moving the place settings but no one can eat? How much of my thoughts, my convictions, my fears, my worth, my esteem were handed down through generations like my grandmother’s clock?

All come to mind as I confront this.

Here angel Kyodo Williams talks about this very thing, and, what is so gratifying for me personally, outlines a path very much like what we are collectively walking here at Lace on Race. That of the internal driving the external. That confronting ourselves, or more accurately, ourselves; our schemas, our stories told to us and about us that we have on tape loop is necessary for wholeness, necessary for walking. That to walk also means to sit, to notice, to examine, to discard.

Enough for now. Listen to the unedited (I had some trouble, so be persistent), read the transcript. Note both the actual subject matter, and the relationship and dynamic between her and Krista. Comment. Are we ready for excavation in 2020?

Are we ready to disintegrate into wholeness?

Boy howdy, I hope so.


  1. Rebecca Behar Avatar
    Rebecca Behar

    I’m thinking about white supremacy, what it means to be antiracist, and how to be an ally. What do I have to clean out/let go of, in order to become the person I want to be..the person this world needs me to be?
    We’re called to examine internal forces that drive our external words, choices, actions, as you say here…”How much of my thoughts, my convictions, my fears, my worth, my esteem were handed down through generations…?”
    My image of “Rebecca” was/has been, handed down to me, from my family of origin. I am uncovering the extent of this, more and more. To look at the trauma of my family’s past… It’s painful. So much fear! The fear, by itself, could cause complete self-destruction. I struggle not to run as far away as I can get from the fear, and from the reality of the destruction. I know the story of what happened to my Grandma Anna & Grandpa Charlie’s families. Just writing this, I choke back tears and feel sick to my stomach. I think of how Anna and Charlie did, in a very real way, shed everything to come here as refugees, escaping to safety, in the U.S.A. Even their names, (as was alluded to in this post) were different: Hannulah (a version of Hannah) became Anna. My Grandpa, nicknamed Chilibi (blue eyes) Chakir (chosen one) changed his given name Boaz, to Charlie. He said the officer at Ellis Island said, Chilibi was closest to Charles, so Charles, it was. New names. New country. Everything known, left behind… not willingly, nor intentionally, but abandoned hastily, for survival. How many souls at our Southern Border are fleeing for their lives right now, as I write this, fearing their own, or their children’s annihilation?! Again, I run away from the pain of the thought.
    Now I think on my work with hospice, and those souls preparing to leave all of their mortal, earthly life, as they readied themselves for the transition. We, on the palliative care team, walked along side those who were ” sitting, noticing, examining, discarding, ” whether it was the dying person, themselves, or the family members with them, on their journey. Yes. Full respect living – this phrase keeps coming up for me. It was part of our ethos as a hospice team: full respect for the human beings, the transition processes, their loved ones and this profound time in their life.
    FULL RESPECT LIVING. I love this phrase. Words to live by.
    We didn’t name our practices the way they’ve been described here, but the intentions and actions were the same: Practicing kind candor. Offering gentle, clear eyed observations, or simply being quietly present, in the moment, offering love, solidarity, and comfort. It doesn’t seem like being an ally in racial justice work would require different skills, whether I’m interacting with white folks or black and brown folks. We’re all human beings.

  2. Danielle Joy Holcombe Avatar
    Danielle Joy Holcombe

    Thank you for that Claire – that was a helpful description for me as I’m struggling a bit with the internal work.

  3. Zoe Brookes Avatar
    Zoe Brookes

    I am here. I listened to angel Kyoto Williams several times over when it aired a few weeks ago, and today my head is fuzzy and my focus gone. I am reassured by the idea that there is time and space for inner work because it is essential. Reading all your comments, I’ll go back and listen again.

  4. Marlise Avatar
    Marlise

    We are a culture that avoids grief in all forms, and straight up doesn’t allow grief for so many. I think our brains function well with grief IF we recognize it, allow it to change us, and have community to hold us. What doesn’t work well while grieving is staying a functional, working cog for the system. Brains struggle when grief is not allowed to be expressed or recognized. We are seeing generations and generations of repressed grieving coming to a head. This is what I was thinking of when angel said that many aren’t focused on just survival anymore. What good is surviving as a cog if I do so at the sacrifice of my morals, my sanity, and my humanity? When I view it that way, that I am actually walking with people through grief, my walking shifts. I become okay with asking questions and sitting in the awkward quiet. I become less hostile and anger, more curious and hopeful. I stop trying to use labels and expectations to keep a person textbook, and gently nudge them toward the healing abyss so grief can be recognized and used to heal.

  5. Vickie White Avatar
    Vickie White

    Hello Lace and fellow walkers. This talk with angel Kyodo williams, Lace’s commentary, and the thoughtful community reflections on doing the internal work and excavating down to our stud are very timely. Lately I have been struggling with internal resistance to spending time working on my internal journey here while finding myself still drawn to engaging with external anti-racist work. The struggle has been very unexpected and disappointing for me, who sees myself as someone who follows through on things that I care about, who reflects often on myself and the world, and who engages with deep parts of myself. But angel and Lace’s words about the importance of the internal work, and Lace’s words about the hurt that can be caused by trifling and flighty white women, have been the “angel” on my shoulder, calling on me to flex my weak muscles and stay in the crucible.

    The community conversation here has been very helpful to me, also. I’ve really been struggling to understand my reluctance to spend time reflecting. But I’m getting glimmers of understanding, I think; I’m seeing myself repeat patterns of self-sacrifice (at work, in my case) and then self-indulgence/“self-care”/self-distraction at the other end of the pendulum swing. It’s humbling to think that hours ago I thought that I could be a helpful and reliable ally in anti-racism efforts.

  6. Marlise Avatar
    Marlise

    I am really curious how you know the size of following for On Being (a project that has been in existence for years and years), and also apparently our size of following after two weeks of moving to a new location.

    But that aside, when we talk about our numbers, we are speaking to those who regularly engage on Facebook. Facebook is an easy, shallow medium to communicate on. We absolutely expected the habit of coming here to comment to take some time. You do seem to be skipping over the purpose here, which is to measure success in quality of community.

    No matter our visual appearance of support, are you here to actually engage with content provide or only to supply drive by comments on surface appearances? The content above is worth working through, and you can comment with the expectation that it won’t sit in the void of the internet comments. Here, we read every comment and together create new knowing and new being.

  7. Claire Ramsey Avatar
    Claire Ramsey

    Alexis – you raise an important point when you say “I think that goes back to sitting and working through them.” Rev Williams reminds us that Buddhism is not all or even mainly meditation. But sitting and meditating gives us an inner space to work on all of those thoughts and ideas and distortions that rattle around in our minds. The work is not necessarily that difficult – it is mostly to maintain our attention to whatever we use as a meditation device – a mantra, our breath, the movement of our diaphragm muscles, an image or even an object – and observing the space junk that flies around in our minds. And quietly reminding ourselves that that stuff is only thoughts. Thoughts are evanescent, transitory, and they vanish as they orbit past. And the good news is that we don’t have to pay a bit of attention to them as they bubble up and then disappear, except to remind ourselves that those thoughts are not us – they are merely thoughts – they are not actions, and they are not directives for actions. It is humbling to realize that what we consider precious, what we might be praised for at school – our thoughts and/or our knowledge – is nothingness. The solution to the clench is to let the clench happen, take a good look at it, and remember that the thoughts that lead to the clench are useless and can be ignored and discarded. For me, that is the key method for dismissing and even unloading that stuff. It might not clear out the first time or the 1000th time but those mental pathways will extinguish eventually if we can set the intention to observe them and let go of their importance and their presence in our minds. (And you do not need to be a follower of any religion to do it. . .)

  8. Claire Ramsey Avatar
    Claire Ramsey

    Danielle – I agree with you about Krista. In fact, I have listened to this On Being twice, and read the unedited transcript. And I do not come to this episode w/o some knowledge of Buddhism. And I am having a very hard time grasping a cohesive sense of angel Kyodo Williams’s message. And I believe that this is because of the running comments and back-channel “um hum” and interrputions Krista self-indulgently allows herself. I’m going to listen one more time and try my best to tune in only to Rev Williams’s turns. I appreciate that you notice the superficiality and falseness in Krista’s hostessing style. I cannot even call it conversation. And, despite the gushy intro about “love” I do not hear love either.

  9. Lace Watkins Avatar
    Lace Watkins

    So.
    If I’m to take you at your word and believe the best of you, that is, that despite your seemingly disengenous nail biting about our viability, you really want this site you’ve disparaged to succeed-your version of success, not ours-then I’m sure you’ll want to be doing all you can to ensure that very thing.

    A prescription:

    *Truly read every one of the pinned posts at the Page, and all of the posts here on the site, and comment, thoughtfully and cogently, on each.

    *Specifically,and firstly,go deep and long here. Engage with angel, and with my commentary. Prove to all 7 of us you understand both the task and can process.

    *Enter into active and authentic mentorship with a an Admin staff
    *Contribute to this space *or* another racial justice space of your choosing, disclosing the name, and a reflection as to why you chose to support them.
    *Do a deep dive as to your behavior here. You’ll need your mentor for that; your blind spots are legion. Nothing you have said is original.
    *Create a space from thin air, and then make another space two years later. Compare after 29 days. Tell me how you do. I’ll be there, showing you what authentic love and support looks like.
    You won’t do any of these things. We all know that. But we see you, Catherine. All 7 of us. We see you as a case study of baggage, schema, buckets sloshing, and barely held together Self held together by projected contempt.

    Enjoy, if you will.

    But there’s another way of walking.
    The 7 of us are happy to show you.
    Or you can stay where you are.

    And here is the difference in our motivations, Catherine.
    I do care. About you. About why you needed to lead with this limping across Lumpy Crossings you’re doing, rather than allowing yourself to be embraced.

    Hurt people hurt people. Until they find better ways and stop sloshing their buckets of toxic residue.

    On Being again-so you should be familiar with our On Being #5 with Ruby, where she asks the crucial question I will ask you now:

    Where does it hurt? Because you’ve been howling for a few days now.

    Where does it hurt, Catherine?

  10. Lace Watkins Avatar
    Lace Watkins

    So you see our metrics?

  11. Catherine Avatar
    Catherine

    Just to clarify, I said IF I wanted to comment on any On Being material, I didn’t say I had. They are a different group, working in different ways, with different people and I am well aware they have very few published comments, they don’t insist on them.

    On Being are a well established group, whatever they are doing they are doing well and successfully, they don’t need me to defend them to you.

    I think you are rattled because I hit a nerve, your ‘thousands of supporters’ have dwindled to 6 or 7 and you don’t like it.

    I was being honest when I said I hope your site will be a success, believe me or don’t, I really don’t care.

  12. Danielle Joy Holcombe Avatar
    Danielle Joy Holcombe

    I left my started notes at work but I committed to coming back this weekend to engage here so I will start fresh. This interview was SO FULL of gems, I may comment in parts. I do love the hopefulness that is sparked inside me when Rev. williams speaks of all the systems of oppression that could not exist if we individually did the internal work necessary – the work of reclaiming the human spirit. And yet, I’m not sure I know how to begin. Is that because I don’t want to strip away the layers in order to find me? Maybe I won’t like what I find. But I am now committed to beginning to find my way in this work.

    How she moves then into the suffering of the oppressor was so interesting to me as well. The truth is that it requires a lot of internal ugliness (even though we mask it and work so hard not to look directly at it) to participate in, to uphold and support, to NOT oppose oppression. And that internal ugliness does bring suffering to the one carrying it around. I don’t want to focus too much on the suffering aspect because we know that we white people can climb on any bandwagon of suffering and turn ourselves into victims somehow – even of the very systems we created and have upheld for so long.

    I was trying to pay attention to the dynamic between Krista and Rev. williams and I see something in her that I do not appreciate. And the more I contemplate it – I see the same in me. Krista feels at times false to me. I mean, maybe not 100% false. I think she enjoys the engagements with her guests and accepts their positions as “good” and right and even wants to ascribe to those things but it feels very surface. She listens and affirms but where does it go? I can almost see the pearls of wisdom rolling off her after the interview is done. She often interrupts once she feels confident she understands what her guest is saying – to show she understands?

    There’s so much more here and I will be back to finish and to engage in conversation with others.

  13. Lace Watkins Avatar
    Lace Watkins

    Catherine:

    Guess who? Me again.

    You really got under my skin, but not for the reasons you might first think.

    This is part of the Relational Ethics series, which you might or might have read.

    Congratulations! You’re getting your own entry.

    What we say here is that most often, the comments under the post are more instructive than the post itself; it’s certainly true here.

    Dear Lord, Catherine. Had you read in depth at the Lace on Race page, you’d know that what we put up is, while important, less important than our interactions.

    We say this: who we are in the space is who we are. And I think I have a fair inkling of exactly who you are.

    One of the first tenets here, had you read the guidelines for engagement, is to never punch down. That you violated that right out of the gate and then doubled down is telling.

    Here is a fun fact, Catherine. I just checked out the On Being website, which is, ya good; way more bells and whistles than we have.

    I also checked the comments. Exactly three. Two from a fake account; only one actually dealing with the subject matter, and that was fully a year ago when it was first aired. Just with our post being up for a few days, we have had more and deeper comments than On Being. Put another way, we are actually doing a better job with engagement with material in three days than On Being did with Ms. Williams in a full year.

    For your benefit and reference, here they are.

    *The need to keep the faith and the sense of the Sorrows of Young Wurther by Goethe and the growing intelligencia of a balanced geometric identity has the seats in each departmental chair and faculty allign their spinal cords.

    *Since the quince top lents fell of France and the ballon yeng people weight their pants, the Me essential pupil is stuck on wallets Cretes shorts Fuge all Gordan Ivy Daltons.

    *Just now coming across this interview which I loved! Angel Kyodo Williams has a better vision for SPACE FORCE: “The way that I think of love most often, these days, is that love is space…It is developing our own capacity for spaciousness within ourselves to allow others to be as they are.”

    Why did you use this for comparison?

    And I would wager that were I to do the same exercise with the other On Being audio we have used, we would find the same thing

    To be sure, this is not to impugn On Being. We are doing different things with different cohorts. But I find myself so curious as to why you felt the need to punch down, with what we now see are incorrect assertions, to us.

    Here is what I think. I don’t for a moment think you hope we succeed. Quite the opposite. I certainly don’t think you are here to do the work.

    I would love to be wrong. So tell me, since you found On Being so engaging, what was it about the interview and or the transcript that stuck with you? Why didn’t you post a comment there?

    AS we consider your commentary here, and why you are, right now, a case study as to what not to do, it would be interesting to hear more of your perspective.

  14. Marlise Avatar
    Marlise

    Catherine, I must admit I am baffled how the size of a group of participants is an indication of the openness or value of someone’s voice or community. Krista, has had a national voice for years, which has enabled a large audience to grow. Lace on Race is not an attempt to be equal to that stage, nor the focus. Certainly there is more content here and on the Facebook page that clearly shows that difference.

    As for your opinion changing support, that isn’t the critique at all. The goal here is to dismantle white supremacy and racism, something that is a narrative flowing in all of us. That means that comments, not just content, are part of learning and growing. If you wish to simply deposit an opinion and receive no interaction here, then you have missed the purpose of this page.

    Why the desire to predict failure?

    Even if Lace on Race retains enough engaged members to fill my kitchen table, the quality of the community is, to me, more valuable than gauging success by pure numbers.

    I will say that those in this community who “clearly know” Lace and each other actually little to no connection in real life. Instead, we have been walking in this community for months and, for some of us, years. When you see a small group of people who are familiar with each other, what you are seeing are strangers who have walked through hard topics and change to grow and support each other.

    A long response to say, we are an open community always ready to walk with each other, no matter if many or few join in. That community does come with accountability and direct challenges though.

  15. Lace Watkins Avatar
    Lace Watkins

    Hey Catherine.

    This one’s for you.

    You won’t read it, and even if you do, it won’t penetrate you, but here it is nonetheless.

    IF you are ever ready, we’ll be here.

    https://laceonrace.com/index.php/2019/11/23/sometimes-to-move-toward-love-means-to-move-toward-death/

  16. Lace Watkins Avatar
    Lace Watkins

    I have recognized this; yes.

    I just erased an entire paragraph.

    Part of my liberation is not to try to pry open closed ears.

    Best to you.

  17. Catherine Avatar
    Catherine

    I made the statement that this “feels like a closed group”, because ……..it feels like a closed group. A handful of participants who clearly know you and each other. Since you ask, yes, I have read much of the FB page, (I am not an active or regular FB user) including your pinned posts and to be honest, that feels similar, with references to thousands of supporters but narrative and commentary from just a handful, albeit a few more than have apparently followed you here.

    The comparison with the On Being site, with which I am familiar, was again, how I see it. They are open and welcoming, which as a newcomer, I don’t feel here. If I have comments on their material, I prefer to make them there. Doing so and expressing a preference for their work over yours, hardly constitutes ‘tearing anything down’, I don’t think my one opinion, which you are not obliged to show, is going to materially change the support you get here.

    I hope this site is the success you want it to be, somehow I doubt it will be but hope I am wrong. In either event, it is not for me, as you have already recognised.

  18. Kathy Kratchmer Avatar
    Kathy Kratchmer

    This idea that we are not trying to become something but trying to un-become, to undo ourselves seems central to developing an authentic identity, one that fits and it not forced; one that grows out of who and how we are, not out of what cultural norms dictate as normative, acceptable, superlative. To the extent that we’ve bought into constructing our identities, or falling into them, by seeking to be consistent with some external expectation or source, is perhaps the best indicator of how resistant to this process we might be, I might be. SOrting through what is real and what is facade is the challenge—and I cant begin to change the real things that are problematic until I face them honestly, strip them bare.

    And this idea that we tend to love people, experiences, things that we have a natural interest or affinity for; learning to get over that kind of love so I can really see the Other—not measured against my set of preferences—-but simply see them. Until I stop requiring everyone, everything to ‘enhance my idea of myself’ in order to love them/it, well, I won’t truly be loving at all—just existing in an echo chamber. And instead of seeing the fault in myself at not being able to truly love, I am tempted to find fault in the ones I do not feel able to love though the truth is I am simply not willing to. Withholding love, positive regard, respect from another human being reveals a deficit in me, not in them.

    I want this expanded understanding of love that changes how I love, my capacity to love, to be ‘all in’

  19. Alexis Klein Avatar
    Alexis Klein

    catherine, we are an open group. We do ask to please be kind as this is Lace’s place. Like Lace said, we do things differently here. And Lace has put a lot of great educational resources on Facebook. We are a collective who work to be here and support each other. We may seem small but if you want to be here the work is well worth it.

  20. Lace Watkins Avatar
    Lace Watkins

    Hi Catherine.

    I’ve not seen your name before.

    Are you new to the community?

    Have you also visited our Facebook page?

    All of this to ask you the main question which is, if you’re new here, how can you make such a declarative statement as you just did?
    Unless it was only to be destructive.
    On being is a good resource; that’s why I use it.

    But we’re doing something different here.

    If this is not a place you want to be, and you haven’t been here long, feel free to find a place where you are more comfortable.

    But I question your own ethos of building something up by tearing something else down, particularly when you’ve never accessed it before.

    What is your motivation for doing that?

    And now I’ll ask you to actually do what was asked of you here, which is to comment on the substance of what was presented to you and the dynamic between Krista and her guests.

    You took the time to be unkind.

    Perhaps now you can take the time to be constructive.

    After that, I invite you to take the time to read the pinned posts that are still on the Facebook page that have not yet been moved over to this brand new website that’s less than 3 weeks old. In those posts you’ll find more about who we are and what we expected each other. Frankly, we expect more than you’ve given here. If you read them and decide this is the place you want to be in contribute and learn, then I give you a very sincere welcome. But right now your opening shot off the bow has been less than impressive.

  21. catherine Avatar
    catherine

    Lisa,
    The excellent On Being materials are all accessible at the On Being website, where, to be honest, the whole environment and ethos feels very welcoming, sharing and educational. This group feels very ‘closed’, with only a tiny handful of participants.

  22. Deb Chymiak-Isanhart Avatar
    Deb Chymiak-Isanhart

    Alexis, it is so easy to want to race from post to post, like we are checking off requirements to get our Badge of Wokeness or Best LoR Performance Award. But you are right, nothing changes if its not internalized. Internalization takes time and intention. It requires us to slow down, which our capitalist society neither encourages or rewards. It may mean you (or I) don’t comment on every FB post, and instead really dig in to what is posted on this site and circle back through the pinned posts.

  23. Alexis Klein Avatar
    Alexis Klein

    Deb I agree with what what you’re saying about everyone suffering. Reading/hearing about how everyone suffers from white supremacy is something I haven’t of before Lace. I have to remind myself that I’m not different from other white people that who say racist things . I could say the same racist things tomorrow, and I know what I’ve said in the past. I can’s say I have humanity and suffer but they don’t.

    At what point is my limit to see what could change? That’s a good question.

  24. Deb Chymiak-Isanhart Avatar
    Deb Chymiak-Isanhart

    I still need to listen. But the transcript has so much that I love. And yet, there is also trepidation mixed in with what I love. What will it take to strip me to my studs? What will it take to strip our society to its studs? I think the trepidation is bound up in an inability to imagine beyond a certain point in the process. But the Reverend is right, anything less than deep transformation — internally and externally — can be undone with the stroke of a pen. (Along those lines, I don’t think going to the studs will be enough. I think some of our systems need to actually have entirely new foundations.)

    So much of wht fragility is about fear of “what will I and society be if privilege no longer exists; how does that change identity”. To paraphrase a song lyric, we are afraid of change because we’ve built our lives around this system. That is why white sci-fi bends towards dystopian societies. Afrofuturism is so more hopeful because Black ppl have been living in the dystopia.

    Another thing I really appreciated was the Reverend’s point to not only remember everyone’s humanity, but to also remember everyone suffers and is harmed by wht supremacy. Lace has always encouraged us to see everyone’s humanity. But that additional piece about suffering made a light bulb go on for me.

    Thank you for bringing this to us, LoR.

  25. Laura Berwick Avatar
    Laura Berwick

    I’m going to need another listen, as it got quite disjointed and cut out on me. But wow, Lace, that has to be incredibly validating. You’re right. What angel brought forward about interior transformation and sitting and doing our inner work was spot on with regard to our practice here. I felt a real epiphany when she pointed out that legal change without social change at an individual level can be undone with the stroke of a pen. That was so revelatory to me, even as I’ve seen the undoing happen right in front of us.

    I am reflecting now on what is at the core of me, versus what is extra, what other people have left in my junk drawer before it ever became mine. I went through this process about 15 years ago, when my father died suddenly. It was shattering, and I had to come to a reckoning with myself over what I needed to rebuild, and what I needed to finish demolishing and get rid of. I started that process again about five years ago when I finally got called on my nice white lady racism. And as far as I think I’ve come, here I am again, and the answers only get harder as I Marie Kondo myself.

    But the more I pare down to essentials, the less I fear I’ll lose. And I was afraid, with the fear angel points out. I was afraid I’d lose myself if I invested too much in feeling and fighting the pain in our world. But this space has definitely helped me exercise my feeling and fighting muscles. I’m not there. But I’m still walking.

  26. Alexis Klein Avatar
    Alexis Klein

    Thinking about what my clench is in this situation was interesting as have done a few things related to getting rid material items that don’t spark justice, but they’re not rid of in my mind. So they are not really gone. So how do I rid them from my mind. I think that goes back to sitting and working through them. What is my clench? I think it would be giving up all white-led media(shows, movies, books, etc). It’s what I was brought up on. And I’m moving outwardly towards Black actors in shows, and movies and books written by Black people but if I’m not avidly reading and watching there is no real change.

  27. Meg Avatar
    Meg

    This touched on a lot of topics that I agree with, specifically the need to recognize that everyone is going through something, the importance of sitting to identify what’s going on before responding, and the fact that more people are not identifying by what they have inherited.

    I did get a bit stuck in the discussion about survival, and how fewer people are living in that place. I agree that we have moved past the days of farming being required for survival but the brain doesn’t necessarily differentiate between crisis (needing to pay rent/meds/etc.) that way.

    I attended a lecture on change not too long ago, that was really a lecture of grief. The speaker argued that humans response to unexpected/unwelcome change is the same emotional response as one has to grief. Elizabeth Kubler-Ross was discussed and we discussed times we’d been called upon or forced into change and identified all the same emotions. We talked about the differences in emotion levels, and how being asked to change desks may not elicit the same emotional response from me as it does from another, but also that my response depends on how many other things I’ve been asked to change lately as well as the capacity I have for thinking things through.

    Right now, we are in a big place societally. It’s needed and necessary. We are also trigger-stacking people. If we think about how we respond to losing a friend one year vs how we would respond to losing a friend every month of the year, or losing our entire family, that’s what this rapid ask for change is doing to some in our society. The backlash is apparent. The denial, anger, fear, anxiety, bargaining, depression… it’s all there. Brains don’t function well when they are grieving, and our society is definitely not functioning well.

    That’s where that love comes in. Grief remains difficult, no matter what. It’s a lot easier to get to acceptance though when surrounded with grace instead of hostility. That’s where I struggle the most… it’s in standing firm against injustices, while meeting those engaging in them with some form of grace. It’s in sitting with the immediate anger I feel until it moves to a place that I can come from a place of curiosity. It’s the difference between a middle finger and a “what do you mean?” I inherited, “do no harm, take no shit.” I’ve tried to move that to a more active stance in harm reduction vs passively saying, “well it wasn’t me…” I’ll reflect on how where to next move towards, so “take no shit,” becomes effective, not simply defensive.

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    Alexis Klein

    I’m not used to sitting and thinking on ideas here. Sitting and thinking would involve getting past all of the surface level beliefs and thoughts that are going through my head and not going deeper to where I really am. Sitting involves looking past who I show to this group. It’s digging and finding my voice. It involves looking at all of my thoughts and beliefs and which ones are inherited and which are mine. Those thoughts and beliefs I inherited are from our white supremacist society. Yes, but I also believed them, and I’m still working through unbelieving them. It’s feeling my emotions and where my reaction comes from. I will think about things I’m learning but I can feel myself saying “Okay I get that, moving on.” Well no, I don’t, I’m just putting it aside. I have more I’m getting from Angel and you in this post, but this was the biggest part. Acknowledging that I need to sit and absorb and sort through instead of being reactive.

  29. Lace Watkins Avatar
    Lace Watkins

    Hey Lisa.

    Ya. The red hyperlink works.

  30. Lace Watkins Avatar
    Lace Watkins

    We know where on being airs.

    It’s hyperlinked at the top.

    Have not seen you before. Welcome.

  31. Lisa Hamish Avatar
    Lisa Hamish

    Where is the link? I’m assuming you’re referring to “On Being,” which is owned by Public Radio Exchange.

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